Hand critique please
I opened a pot from middle position with A1053 ds. Bad on my part, I know. 1 caller. Starting stack 110 bb's.
Flop was A, 2, K. Rainbow.
-I potted in position or near potted and pf caller called. (This guy was making very stupid plays. He 3 bet with qj46 o.o.p. a little earlier)
Turn 3 diamonds giving a fd.
-I again potted or near potted about 23 bb's. He called.
River Q no flush.
-Opponent potted me all in for around 60bb's leaving himself only about 30 bb's. I called off thinking he was on a f.d. most probably and he showed AJ104. So, he had 17 outs but really only a 5 or Q would give him the nuts plus they're was a f.d. out they're.
Was this a bad call?
Thanks.
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I opened a pot from middle position with A1053 ds. Bad on my part, I know. 1 caller. Starting stack 110 bb's.
I will give a few small pieces of advice. First use a "T" instead of "10" when posting hands. It makes it easier to read. And now with the popularity of five and six card PLO, you really need to be using a "T" so that only one alphanumeric is used and people can easily see if it is a four card, five card or six card hand you are posting. Also you state it is one caller, however you didn't say their position. The big blind is by far going to have the widest calling range and therefore show up with more hands like any type of straight, even low straights, that tighter calling ranges would less likely have.
Flop was A, 2, K. Rainbow.
-I potted in position or near potted and pf caller called. (This guy was making very stupid plays. He 3 bet with qj46 o.o.p. a little earlier)
Turn 3 diamonds giving a fd.
-I again potted or near potted about 23 bb's. He called.
On flop, many people don't use a pot size bet and instead use 2/3 or 3/4 on this board type in a single raised pot.
On turn, it brought in more than a flush draw, it made a straight possible. Many people don't use a pot size bet when a draw comes in, especially out of position, however some do in position, some don't.
River Q no flush.
-Opponent potted me all in for around 60bb's leaving himself only about 30 bb's. I called off thinking he was on a f.d. most probably and he showed AJ104. So, he had 17 outs but really only a 5 or Q would give him the nuts plus they're was a f.d. out they're.
No flush, but it brought in another straight possible. The broadway straight is a special case and you are going to have to get a feel for the games you play if when the Broadway straight hit and people now start betting and the size of their bets if it is highly likely they have it.
Pre open is fine.
You should consider WHY are you betting the flop with this hand. Value, protection, bluff or just bet range because you have AA in your range and he likely doesn't. I think betting is fine anyway.
Turn the same. Are you betting for protection? Probably. Do you need to do it? Not necessarily. He still has every KK in his range and you have plenty of stronger hands in your range than what you have. I'd seriously consider checking.
I think river is just a fold. Consider what hands you can have here. Can you have JT? Of course. Actually most of the time you have a better hand than you have, though yes you have a T which is nice. "Putting him" on a backdoor draw instead of a frontdoor draw is optimistic.
Pre open is fine.
You should consider WHY are you betting the flop with this hand. Value, protection, bluff or just bet range because you have AA in your range and he likely doesn't. I think betting is fine anyway.
Turn the same. Are you betting for protection? Probably. Do you need to do it? Not nece
Thank you. My read on the turn was to much in the moment I feel like. It was for protection mostly. Although my read was correct as one would tell with the hand he shown I'm not sure if against this player type it's good to bet here.
Actually I think I may be over thinking this.. just cuz against this player type and his hand proves my read on him I feel like pot odds being considered that a very good amount of the time they have ax plus busted fd or 2 pair plus busted fd.
I think at the stack sizes being what they are to start the hand (me 110bbs and them 135bbs) that a set is much less likely to just call the turn and would shove there.
I was thinking he caught a queen a good amount of the time for higher 2 pair but pot odds being considered I think the hand I said above that I thought he had he does have about a good 50% of the time.
Anyway, thanks fir reply it helped me think it through better. But, this is more based on my river decision and not critique of the whole hand. But, I feel like my read was correct based on his actual hand.
His turn call is def. Spew by him so basically thinking of the river call rather than the whole hand.
His turn call is def. Spew by him so basically thinking of the river call rather than the whole hand.
For me, "spew" means getting it in unnecessarily or light or say making a big bet that is only called by worse. Thus I would never call a call spew.
Whether it's a bad call depends. Are you barreling tons of weak hands? He does have tp+dblgutter so he is doing great against the weaker portion of your range. Then again, maybe you just don't have those hands a lot and play the spot very linearly.
He had 17 outs to win (well-counted) but you missed his two outs to chop (the last two Ts), which means that maths-wise, he had 18 outs worth.
Preflop standard
Whatever you think of his turn call, he was ahead on the flop, you got lucky with only 10 outs to beat him, against most of those 10 outs he has plenty of ways he can catch up i.e. how this happened, so in terms of equity, he's doing better than you, and he was just the last in the hand to get lucky. No matter that you were the one betting. He read you for weaker than AK and was right, twice. You then paid off the river extremely light, especially given the most likely flop draw - which you can both have - is QJT, which gets there, and which he's saying he has. I probably wouldn't 3b QJ64 but I could very easily play his hand the same if I were on the table versus you
