PLO 5card hand at Aria

sidecards in 5cplo are more important than in any other game. plus V3 can back jam vs the 200 and give us an opportunity to re-rip pre if your feeling froggy.

but i would just flat, flat and make a decision if V3 jams. our hand doesnt flop very smooth so we want to get in cheap. this hand just sucks bc we never have nut straight.

Anytime a wheel is the nuts with a 3 on board we will have the nut straight and top set. While we obviously block a lot of the ways that can happen, we also mildly benefit from the Matusow effect where our low cards are more likely to be live in a bit multiway pot as everyone likes high cards.

All obv correct, but you’re saying I should have repopped pre??

Yep, my thinking as well, which is why I flatted

I would think with v1 being loose/aggro/fishy we should reraise and push our equity advantage. A lot of money out there and vs 1 caller get a PSB left OTF.

In general if I don't give a response it's because I'm not sure. That's partly because it seems close and partly because I'm gigantically out of practice in 5c and if someone respectable came in and said '100% 4b' it wouldn't surprise me and neither would '0% 4b'

thats not the way the game ran, a 4 bet by me would have gotten 4 callers ... and then i really don't like my aces (especially bc of the weak side cards) anymore

got you.
so it's a close one, and then i'm fine with playing the lower variance way

I mean if you get 4 callers and you have two potential nut fds in a massive pot that commits ~everybody with all kind of trash?

You have something like 31% in a 5-way pot (11% extra).

How exactly did you get to that number, the 31%? Thx

Its obv reraise. The helper cards arent as bad you think they are.

We get low spr flop and basically never make mistake. The odd free money fold pre etc.

If they all call pre with ****, you print...in the long run.

i agree with everything you say if we talk 4 card plo.
imo for 5 card it needs to be adapted, just not exactly sure how, or where to draw the line (meaning not 4bet with aces)

You can refine your line with solver. I can guarantee however that solver reraises here.

Nothing wrong with that - you're still pushing a great equity position but of course there's heavy variance going multi way. If you were say 5-6k deep yeh this should be played much differently but with these stacks I'd be looking to get in as much as possible.

Pro Poker Tools - free tool, can select 5 card or even 6 card and run an equity sim.

Oh, cool, didn’t know they can do 5 cards also.
Thx for the info

Exactly how I came up with 31% 😀

Ofc there are still tricky post flop spots and the variance is going to be huge but it still should print.

I mean, 31% multi way like this is huge … wasn’t expecting that

When V1 has exactly 1k, this is most likely a lean raise, because both squeezing out a third player some of the time and better realizing post-flop equity is +EV. Probably a click-it-back 400-500 type sizing the best for this exact reason.

But mixing in some flats is also probably completely fine, since Hero can safely fold most textures post-flop 3w. I think we prefer some raises to protect Hero's overall range even though this hand can be considered a below average aaxxx.

but I also can't tell what position Hero and villain have

Min re raise is interesting, didn’t think about that one.
With my table image there, it’s 100% clear I’m playing aces then … don’t you think the downside of this is bigger than the upside of getting in more money pre?

Btw: I got Position on the whale, with 2 people acting behind me

No. For me this looks more like a spot where players taking a passive line in an effort to reduce variance are losing a lot more $EV than they realize.

I can go either way, but I like a raise vs. V1's raise.

Exactly.

3b pre
as played backraise