PLO 20/25 live, flop decision on a wet board
Straddle pot, limped around to hero who limps otb w Kh9h7s6c.
Straddler raise to 175. 3 calls, hero calls.
Flop K97dd ($825) 3pair no BDFD for hero.
Villain bets 800 folds around to hero. villain has 3500 beyond. Villain is an active player, will bet strong made hands and draws.
If we can there is going to be $2.4k in the pot, spr will be 1.5, are we just shoving this or prefer to see the turn?
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I jam
How spewy is villain post-flop?
I think call>jam, and honestly fold might be fine.
fold pre twice I think..
I assume you cover his 3500? as played I think it's close. The SPR is a bit on the high side to get it in, but you'll still be more or less flipping vs his range. you need about 45,5% equity? (4300/9425) Of course you dread getting it against KK, but most of his range you're flipping against, gutshot + overpair, Top pair + NFD, etc. You're going to be a small favorite against most of his combo's, offset by some of his monsterdraws and sets... so... I think you're getting close to the right equity to stack off... Of course his range has to be quite strong, barring some kind of read, to be leading into 4 players from OOP.
Merits to flatting,, I don't really see them as there are no blanks beside a card lower than 5...
It's a tough spot, I don't really know tbh, but Get it in seems best all in all....
I fold both times pre flop. Now that we are here, jam is fine (assuming no other players in?) but I probably just fold -- we are so easily dominated and hate so many turns/rivers.
I wouldn't limp OTB with this hand - think it's prob a fold - fold>raise>call. I think flop is either a fold or call - the problem with calling is half the deck will make you fold the turn. Very marginal spot read based.
Preflop is the only way to play this, both times. Especially in live lineups we should be overlimping weaker hands than this otb.
Fold pre twice as said
If you are playing this and thinking of folding this flop then why are we playing this? What flop were you hoping for?
We jam 3pairs almost always in theory. Your SPR allows you to jam and get all the money in now. Just pot and live with it.
Punt pre tho
Edit: after attempting to run this solve with some sense of intelligence it would appear we call all 3 pair without FD and just stuff it in with a FD. Guess you just call.
Straddle pot, limped around to hero who limps otb w Kh9h7s6c.
Straddler raise to 175. 3 calls, hero calls.
Flop K97dd ($825) 3pair no BDFD for hero.
Villain bets 800 folds around to hero. villain has 3500 beyond. Villain is an active player, will bet strong made hands and draws.
If we can there is going to be $2.4k in the pot, spr will be 1.5, are we just shoving this or prefer to see the turn?
I'm having a problem understanding the bet sizes BTF as they seem unnatural. Reading the whole post there appears to be a $20 SB, a $25 BB, a $50 UTG straddle, three $50 limps and your $50 button limp. The blinds appear to fold. Before the straddler raises the pot should be $300 with normal rounding. Straddle now raises to $175 ($125 more) which if I was correct regarding pot size is a "juice the pot" type raise. If so this is more likely a double paired hand or a suited rundown then a hand containing a pair of aces or kings.
Before the flop I'd call on the button first time around although this is close to the bottom of my range. The hand has the second nut flush draw (and the nut flush if an ace of hearts flops) and a moderate degree of connectivity with the best position post flop. I like the idea of "defending my button" more than "defending my blinds" when it's close. If the raise was this small I might call the straddle raise but there's nothing wrong with folding second time around.
On the flop at this SPR I'd jam.