T976
1-2 with a 10 rock. Both villains are decent. I think V1 is cbetting too often but I don’t know that for sure. About 1.2K eff with V1. V2 has around 1.1K
Hero in BB with T976ds with T7ss and 96dd
The rock is in utg
Pre: MP and LJ limp, V1 in co makes it 60. V2 in sb calls, hero calls (3b?), and both limpers call
Flop (300): Ks8d5s
V2 checks, hero checks, 2 more checks. V1 cbets 120, V2 calls. Hero..
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Easy call. Great price, not much fold equity, can easily get it in with bad equity even heads up, can save money on board pairs, can get it in on the turn with nuts+redraw, and you currently have no sdv. Let's spike the 4 or 7 of diamonds ott
Easy call. Great price, not much fold equity, can easily get it in with bad equity even heads up, can save money on board pairs, can get it in on the turn with nuts+redraw, and you currently have no sdv. Let's spike the 4 or 7 of diamonds ott
What does "you currently have no sdv" mean in the above passage? Or in other words what does "sdv" stand for?
showdown value
I think a flop lead is OK here, though OP doesn't include info on all stack sizes. There is even a chance to squeeze out some bigger flush draws, and other good things can happen from taking the initiative. For example, Hero may be able to win the hand with a bluff on the river against one caller if the turn checks through. Folding out other straights draws isn't necessarily bad either.
As played, I think Hero is handcuffed by the sizing, so call is far better than xr.
I'm basically never leading here from BB because we so easily face raises. Our hand looks great, but if the pot gets too big and we miss the turn, it's not going to be pretty. And I don't want to gii right now. Check/call is fine.
Here are some random thoughts.
Preflop: Should Hero 3bet? The preflop action went MP limp, LJ limp, CO raise, SB cold-call, BB Hero is deciding whether to fold, call or re-raise. The CO didn't open raise or isolation raise one limper. The CO raised two limpers which indicates strength. So let's say the CO has the best hand and Hero has the second best hand. How about this as a live game technique, only 3-bet if you know that you are going to get enough bad players to call the 3-bet and at least four players are going to the flop. Live is usually played deeper stacked than online. And in this hand you are out of position. Only make this 3-bet if enough bad players are going to call. Let me give some over simplified equity examples...
If it goes heads up to the flop, Hero is probably about a 55% - 45% dog to CO.
If it goes three handed to the flop (three players with equal equity would be 33.33%, 33.33% and 33.33%), the CO captured almost all of the bad player's equity and the CO is at about 42% equity, Hero 34% equity which is only a tiny improvement over 33.33% and the bad player is at about 24% equity.
If it goes four handed to the flop (four players with equal equity would be 25%, 25%, 25% and 25%), The CO still gets the most equity at about 32%, the Hero has about 28% equity and now has made a nice improvement from the average 25% equity and the two bad players have equity of about 20% and 20%.
So as a live game technique, Hero could 3-bet if Hero knew that the flop was going to be at least four handed. Hero can juice the pot preflop with a 3-bet, if at least two bad players are willing to call.
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Postflop:
The Good: Hero has a straight draw with 13 outs and all 13 outs are to the nut straight.
The Bad: Hero has a 9 out flush draw, but the flush draw is only to the fourth nut flush. And not only is it to the fourth nut flush, it is in a multiway pot. You are not hoping to hit a flush with the fourth nut flush draw multiway. So instead of your two flush cards as a flush draw, you are hoping you have a two card flush blocker. Also part of the bad is that although you have straight draw of 13 outs with all 13 outs to the nut straight, some of those straight outs make a flush which is no bueno.
The Ugly: You can't make a straight in poker without a Ten or Five. When the Ten or Five is on the board, then it is a lot more likely that you split the straight with another player. In this hand there is a Five on the flop, therefore even if you make your straight and fade the flush, some of the time you are only winning half the pot because you share the straight with another player.
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Preflop, I would play this hand by 3-betting as it looks like at least two bad players will come along for the ride. Postflop, with only the fourth nut flush draw and a Ten or Five on the board making it more likely my straight draw only splits the pot has me playing cautiously in check-call mode on flop.
Fold pre, without the 2 limps in front obv call for a 3 way pot where you hand is significantly better for numerous reasons.
As played just overcall on the flop, anything else is quite bad when you are behind J♠2♠2♣2♥ and crushed as badly as possible vs any straight draw duplication + better ♠s
If there is any check raise behind you and another call or 3bet from any other player you have to fold.
If you hit your straight on the turn bet out.
SeaKing, are you really folding pre-flop? Seems insanely tight.
i'd rather 3bet pre than fold this hand.
(and, if you even think about folding this pre in a cash game in Oslo for example you will be expelled from the country and never allowed back in ;-))
i like this kind of ds rundowns, but multiway your fl draws are most likely dead, heads-up not so much.
3bet pre seems like suicide when no fold equity pre.
Most flop with over cards you are drawing very thin
not saying it's the best play, just saying it's +EV vs folding