wrap, turn second nuts, bad flush redraw, action from donks

wrap, turn second nuts, bad flush redraw, action from donks

5/5 NLH with occasional hands of PLO.

V1 (1600)
V2 (750)
V3 (900)
hero covers

i'm in the 10 straddle UTG and there's a bunch of limps, someone minraises (LOL), i call with Kh9s8s5s, we see a flop five ways

flop (105) comes 3s6d7s. BB checks, i check, V1 checks, V2 pots from CO, V3 flats on button, BB folds, I call, V1 calls.

V1 is a mediocre reg who oscillates between borderline competent and spazzy LAG. can definitely be sticky with quite marginal holdings in PLO. he tends to play a little better when he has over 200bb like he does now
V2 is a fish who has 45 when he does this 1000% of the time
V3 is a super gambly reg who is stuck. he knows i am solid in PLO

turn (525) 8d

checks to V2 who insta pots it again. he is still potting all combos of 45 here because he's a fishy NL player who doesn't really understand PLO hand values and is stuck and just wants to get it in. i guess he can have 459 or exactly 459T but he doesn't need it to pot here.

V3 thinks for quite a while before shoving for a little more, which tells me he probably has a mediocre draw like gutter + NFD or bottom 2 + FD, or maybe 45 + FD that was waiting to see what happened on turn. V3 is a pretty good hand reader, he probably has made the same read on V2 that i described above, but he just can't help himself from gambling in big pots. he is not tanking with a big draw here, he would never get away from something like set + FD or similar, and he almost never has T9 because he is re-potting the big wrap on the flop, we block, and he's folding most combos of naked T9 on the flop.

anyway. maybe these reads seem ultra specific but i know these players (particularly v3) very well, so sharing my entire thought process in the moment. after all that, hero ...?

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31 January 2025 at 03:12 AM
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Well, you know the villains better, but IMO V3 should not raise flop with many hands containing 89T, especially against a player like V2.


I don’t get why you think V3 doesn’t have the nuts here. Just fold.


So, are you worried about V1? Based on your reads, you are good here vs V2 and V3 and have blockers, so if you think V1 is leaning toward fold, call; if he's leaning toward call/raise, just fold.

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