Is this a punt?
Is this a punt?

Is this a punt?

Ignition - $0.05 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 100 BB
Hero (BB): 100 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) SB has 6 5 4 J

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A K T 4

SB calls 0.6 BB, Hero raises to 3 BB, SB calls 2 BB

Flop: (6 BB, 2 players) 3 5 T
Hero checks, SB bets 3 BB, Hero raises to 11.8 BB, SB calls 8.8 BB

Turn: (29.6 BB, 2 players) J
Hero bets 21.2 BB, SB calls 21.2 BB

River: (72 BB, 2 players) 9
Hero bets 64 BB and is all-in, fold,

Flop: I opted for the x/r with gutter, BDFD, and top pair blocker on this dry board. Targeting random overpairs.

Turn: I continue barreling because I pick up some straight draw equity.

River: I shove for full pot. He folds. Was this lucky?

04 February 2025 at 11:02 AM
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Yes, it was lucky. Seems very reasonable play, though I'm certainly not a HU expert.


How do you know what he had?

It might be fine from both but maybe sb is spposed to jam turn


by wazz m

How do you know what he had?

Super user obv


by wazz m

How do you know what he had?

It might be fine from both but maybe sb is spposed to jam turn

Tbh, I don't remember. But I'm guessing he must have folded/ shown.


We need some information on villain here, but without any info, I would rather check call this river. Difficult to be called by hands that we beat and he can eventually turn some KT/QT into a bluff.


Sorry, completely misread the hand :(

Looks good as played.


Don't really get the flop x/r - prefer to lead. Really this whole line is insanely high variance - there's times where he's going to have 2 pair+ or make a straight and own you. Don't think I would take this line with this hand especially.


by pokerfan655 m

Don't really get the flop x/r - prefer to lead. Really this whole line is insanely high variance - there's times where he's going to have 2 pair+ or make a straight and own you. Don't think I would take this line with this hand especially.

I haven't studied the solver in a long time, so this could be wrong.

But OOP, I'm more inclined to x/r my weaker draws, which I can fold to a 3-bet.

And more inclined to lead my strongest combo draws, which can call a raise.

I felt this was a decent x/r hand, because I block top pair, block straight draws, on a rainblow flop... I was really hoping for a fold.


I think the flop x/r is ok, but I'm a lot more skeptical about the turn barrel and sizing; I'd guess the j and 9 are some of the worst cards for Hero range, and Hero's hand seems too strong to want to b/f or even bet/call it off. River is also ??? with just the King blocker, villain has so many hands that snap you off.


by monikrazy m

villain has so many hands that snap you off.

List them or mention just a few?


What I'm getting at is that for me, it's a very good card for Hero to bluff. Proven by that he folded two pair.


Well - analysis could be a little weird since SB strategy should start with a very small number (or perhaps no number) of limps - given rake.

I think on this runout, Hero should not have very many straights; especially since I don't think most players are finding a lot of xrs with 3+ broadway card overs. And hands in that bucket will also played mixed strategies on both flop and turn, etc. (because they perform well as xc)

Similarly, what 87xx hands should xr the flop?

Given villain's exact hand, I am guessing he should shove turn, and as played - call river. Hero can bet worse 2pp combos for value as played.

I think river is interesting spot in that Hero should bet some 2p combos for values or merged, and that villain will xc. Hero is probably also supposed to check this river or block bet often, and jam might not even be supposed to be very polarized. Villain isn't going to have that many straights either, but I'd guess he should have more than Hero. Villain can give up some weaker 2p combos on both turn and river. It's sort of hard for me to envision villain getting to river with too many janky hands aside from 53xx, so maybe villain can just call off most T5/T9+ 2p hands in general. I think I start finding a lot more folds with t3xx and 53xx combos, especially with the A sidecard.

I think I disagree on river being a good card to bluff (or perhaps, smaller bluff sizes perform better).

But again, this feels like an illegal game tree spot to me, so it's hard to deduce the best strategy once Hero has arrived.


by monikrazy m

Well - analysis could be a little weird since SB strategy should start with a very small number (or perhaps no number) of limps - given rake.I think on this runout, Hero should not have very many straights; especially since I don't think most players are finding a lot of xrs with 3+ broadway card overs. And hands in that bucket will also played mixed strategies on both flop and

I'm sorta new to PLO, so correct me if I'm wrong.

When I x/r flop, I'm basically saying I have a set or straight draw.

You think Villain's two pair is strong enough to shove turn, for value and protection mainly against straight draws?

As played, I think you're right that the river was not a good bluff, because I'm unlikely to x/r 87xx or KQxx on this flop.

Also, when I'm repping a set/ 2p on the flop/ turn, and the river brings in a straight, I should probably check or block bet the river, rather than shove.


by MegaWhale69 m

I'm sorta new to PLO, so correct me if I'm wrong.When I x/r flop, I'm basically saying I have a set or straight draw.NO. Those ranges are just way off; ranges should be much more balanced and include some 1p hands.You think Villain's two pair is strong enough to shove turn, for value and protection mainly against straight draws?

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The whole point of the bluff is that the CALLER doesn't have many straights, especially KQ on the river. You are saying you have hands that were bluff raising flop, picked equity and barreled. You are way more high card heavy than villain due to pre-flop action.


by amok m

The whole point of the bluff is that the CALLER doesn't have many straights, especially KQ on the river. You are saying you have hands that were bluff raising flop, picked equity and barreled. You are way more high card heavy than villain due to pre-flop action.

This reply might not have been directed at me, but following up :

But what KQxx combinations does hero credibly have this action? Especially real ranges vs. solver-approved ranges that would have a lot KQ combos.

Something like AKQT seems most credible.
AKQJ (xr seems unlikely)
KKQx
KQQx
KQTT

Hands like KQJT, KQJ9 which should be in range, are also unlikely to find the xr line.
Maybe add in KQT8.8

As I said in my previous post, these type of hands can also play mixed strategies on flop and turn (including the sexy double xr, and more bet sizing variability).

It's not clear to me that Hero has much nut advantage on this run-out, especially if we weight SB limps to start including kk, qq and kq hands that normally raise. That is why polarization strategy may not be successful / wise. Then we try repeating the process with Q8xx and 87xx hands, and so on.

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