3 Clubs in My Hand and 4 on the Board

In theory I’m sure we almost never fold with 3 clubs in our hand and the second nut flush.

In practice you block the 3rd and 4th NF and I’d need a strong reason to fold ie hes a nit who only bets nut flushes. Given his loose preflop ranges tho I prolly stick the money in. He can have all kinds of flushes here that he shouldn’t and be betting for value.

There’s 2 ways to approach this spot live and you should think of both before deciding.

First, is he dumb enough to bet any flush here for value? Some live players think any flush is the nuts when a flop goes check like this. He can easily think he’s going for value against straights and sets.

Two. Is he good enough to bluff with the nut blocker. Almost any card player realizes they can bluff with the A blocker. Is he capable of pulling the trigger tho? I assume people aren’t until they show me they are as a live nodelock and criminally underfold until they show me.

So ask yourself, can he bluff sometimes in this spot and/or is he dumb enough to be betting any flush or straight for value here?

If you think the answer is yes more than 33% of the time you have a profitable call.

I have the fourth nut flush. There are possible straight flushes. This could induce people to bluff with the Ac, the 9c, or the 7c.

But he doesn’t seem like one of those people. (Again, I could be wrong.)

He also bet half pot into three other people on the turn. Don’t people tend to bet full pot if they’re trying to convince three people they have the nut flush?

His line is great if he had the dry A or 7 but people aren’t doing that. In theory we should always be calling flushes with this many of them out there but in practice we should overfold a line that’s underbluffed by a typical loose passive rec.

But is this guy not bluffing much? He’s very loose aggro pre and should have plenty of dry aces given his vpip. Maybe it’s fine to call against this player profile.

Yeah, I couldn’t get a good read on him. He won a lot of pots without showdown post-flop with big bets and raises. So you would think he has some big bluffs in his arsenal.

But I think the deck was just hitting him in the face. My gut was telling me he was just a loose-passive fish.

Barring reads, and making allowance for populations / sight-reads etc, as a default, in medium pots and up, when someone pots the river and you have a non-nut flush, folding is always a decent option, even with blockers in this case.

There does seem to be enough going on that I don't think a call is bad either. Seems close.

I think pre might be bad and you should probably overlimp.

I'm sorry to have to relitigate this every time but how is his race adding anything to our reads, or even your own read? What kind of black is he? African-american? Nigerian? Somaliland? Caribbean? Did you manage to get any reads on the shape of his head at all? Was he verbalising his bets in english, or using a system of clicks to communicate?

Snap call against this villain.

Isolating loose limps (opponents' VPIPs are well over 50%) with KQJT tri-suit to the K is bad? I guess I'm a bad player then because I isolate with hands worse than this.

The best player in our game 3-bets with hands MUCH worse than this (e.g. T876 tri-suit). (He can be a little sloppy.)

I tried to throw this hand into solver. It likes folding with Kc Qc Jc x and Kc Qc Tc x. It sometimes calls with Kc Jc Tc x. It always calls with Kc Qc 7c x.

For what it's worth, this hand felt a little more polarizing. If I didn't have the Qc, I'd still put him on a straight flush, the A-high flush, or nothing.

Problem is, in a loose-passive game, you aren't "isolating" anyone. You're just bloating a multiway pot with a hand that rarely makes the nuts.

At this level of randomization you're better off going by feel or flipping a coin.

Totally agree. Maybe it's better to raise slightly weaker hands after one or two limpers in LP than MP.

I feel like KQJT tri-suit to the K is a pretty strong hand from any position. I might even raise KQJ9 tri-suit to the KJ9.

I think the idea is that if you block too many of the middling flushes, then it's a fold. But yes, totally agree that it's way better to just go by feel this hand.

As stated, this is just a table read for me. If I think he'll do this w/ the naked A, of course I call. I think he played it that way, too, but he could easily have it. Just go with your gut.

I didn't go with my gut. I wanted to fold so badly. But I called because of the four clubs on the board, three in my hand, and also because he had been so active pre. He had the 9c 7c straight flush.

We can’t learn anything from this. What was his whole hand?

And did he look like a bitch?