KJJ7ss EP vs MP 3b multiway

Your lead is not so good in this size, you get many calls , and not many ways to improve , so you get pretty lost in the hand.

This is a pretty dry board. AA is doing fine here. Your hand has no BDs and even AK can call a bet here or bet themselves if the 3bettor

If opponents are weak you can bet here but ur hand doesn’t have enough going on. It’s effectively turning it into a bluff and if so, you need to absolutely barrel on this turn and jam river.

Turn is much better for AA tho and he should call down depending on his opponent and their tendencies.

LJ v HJ with the BB cold call I just let this go pre. Any of hu, IP, deeper, or double suited make call more attractive. I could be off about this so any feedback welcome.

As played, on the right track choosing top pair and pp for weak leads but I want a little more, esp 3ways. At least one bd suit, a straight blocker (543) add up to better leads.

I'd choose closer to half but don't have strong feelings about your size.

As played, turn is terrible and fine with a give up.

Fold pre.

Not sure what you're trying to achieve with the flop bet.

check flop

pair of king is rarely good here given the action, and its difficult to improve with underpair.

also fold pre if mp is a maniac (and 140 bb effective), the hand isn't that strong and plays poorly OOP - it is prob a GTO fold regardless

Thanks for the input; I was going to fold pre without the BB coming along but thought with pot-odds/implied odds from BB it was at least close to a call.

But I agree this hand plays like ass OOP unless we flop a J or a combo-draw.

I think I was trying to 'protect' my hand from maniac MP cbetting wide, problem being if he ever calls/raises I'm pretty done with the hand unless I improve OTT which is unlikely with JJ no BDs like Munga said.

As played makes sense to just x/eval MP action and not feel like I'm being exploited.

Btw when I say to fold pre I meant both times. Even at 100bb, but here you've got an extra 40bb in play vs mp and 70 vs button.

KJJ7ss is a borderline open from utg. in fact it's only an open like 1/3rd of the time. We are only defining JJK7ds here. As played that's a 100% check there. You kicker isn't amazing and you don't even have any back door draws and you're out of position. Weakest hand I might bet here is AKxx

Herein lies a danger in doing solver work and thinking that's all you need to do. It might well be an open in 100bb solver land, but we're not 100bb deep here. What does solver say about these exact stacks?

I think the danger lies moreso in assuming random posters here actually speak the truth when they claim: Solver does this or that

I have looked over 15 different preflop sims with different rake structures and no ante and is yet to see even one of them opening KJJ7ss UTG 6max. If rake is low and there is ante then its an open

So I for one would like to see the solver sim that opens KJJ7ss UTG 6max without antes and with healthy rake

Edit: I looked at 100bb sims. Not 150bb. But the pattern is the same 150bb, actually opening KJJ7ss 150bb becomes an even larger mistake compared to 100bb

That's not a danger for me, but yes. I'd guess what's happened is they bought some cheap pre-solves. My understanding was that given the gradation of PLO hands there's precisely no 'raise x%, fold y% of the time' hands preflop.

Technically it can happen. If the EV of raise is exactly 0.00 then Solver does not mind using a mixed strategy because it is literally indifferent between raise and fold. But if one action has a higher EV than another action then solver will never mix between the 2 actions but go for the highest EV action with a 100% frequency. This follows from Solver trying to approximate a Nash equilibrium and in a Nash equilibrium you never mix between strategies that yield different EV

When you sometimes see screenshots of Preflop sims where there is some mixing between several actions and those actions do not yield the same EV, its because the simulation is not complete. Let the sim run for a longer time and the sim will end up choosing the high EV choice 100%

I wonder how much solver-based advice here is based on incomplete solves.

PLO in general has almost no mixing in the NL sense, at least none that I have seen. The suits are how we “mix” whereas in NL generally you have mixes with the exact same hand in the gametree.

For example in a config we can flat SS AKJ4 suited to A, fold AKJ4 suited to the J and 3b DS AKJ4. This is mixing in PLO world.

As far as advice, it’s important to decipher what is good advice from bad.

Is good advice here to just “fold pre”. That’s the solver approved play.

Or is good advice how to try and play this hand after the preflop mistake with as close to solver approved principles that we can?

Majority of these threads can just be ended by the statement “too loose fold pre”. I guess it’s up to the player to decide what he values more.