2/2 live ~2k eff 4 handed AAT2ds
Hero in CO with AAT2ddss
Btn straddle $10, sb fold, bb raise to $20 (he does this with a lot of playable hands even AAXX), hero $75, btn fold, bb call.
Flop ($165) 843r with 1 diamond 1 spade
X, hero $65, V pot to $360, hero?
Villain has $2k to start the hand. He's one of the tighter players but is definitely capable of getting out of line. I have seen him run some big bluffs and semi-bluffs, but I'd say more times than not he has it. He's been playing the game for years and understands ranges. I don't think he's a great player but he's not bad.
I'm not sure if betting is a mistake or not. If betting is okay, I think a smaller size is fine. We don't want to bloat the pot with an overpair and 2bdfd but we want some value.
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Easy call. We bet with 2bdfd to call check raises like this.
Call and play turns. Hands that wrap around the 8 with a BDFD and inside wrap hands can XR us a lot like 7654, 8765, JT98, etc and he’s repping a narrow range on this flop for value outside specifically 88
Good turns for you are any flush bringing in card and any 4 or 3. Careful with an 8 or any card wrapped around the 8.
If the 4 or 3 pair and he pots you can think about jamming for value. If he checks you can also bet for value.
Agree with call and play turns.
I chk back flop. Even tho our specific hand isn't face up our range basically is and 85-90% of it does not connect with this board. We have a hand we are basically required to see a turn with and getting cr kinda sucks. We have probably 2 streets of value at best we can get here, I don't think it's best to start looking for it on the flop with this much BD equity
Villain sounds capable of doing this with just a wrap or maybe as light as pair+OESD. He's not repping a lot of sets but with that size pf I'm going to assume he can have them all even if 44/33 is at a lesser frequency
As played we have to see turn and if we turn the FD and wraps miss by the river we may have to call down for stacks unimproved
Hero call
Turn ($885) 5x so board is now full rainbow
V pots with $900ish behind
Hero?
So we turned the wheel, but we are dead to 76 and 62. He shouldn't have really any 62. 76 is possible with wrap kind of hands. He could also have sets, 2 pair with a now oesd, and other weaker hands. We also turned no flush draw. Do we just fold? He's a player that will say things going into the flop whenever someone 3bets like "I'm going to crack those aces" and things like that. So he knows I probably have AA a lot of the time, and he is capable of putting on pressure.
If we fold here do we only GII on non straight boards with a fd turn?
This is the other problem with betting flop is we also have a gutter and when we turn it after getting CR we kinda hate it still where when we pot control we can call twice or bet twice pretty easily
I'm not GII on FD turn fwiw, I'd be calling and seeing the river, no reason to light your position on fire along with your $
I'm folding turn to a pot bet. You say he's aware of ranges despite not being great. He has to be aware you have AA2x some so potting a set would be silly. I'm also weighting his range more towards wrap or pair+OESD on flop than random 44/33 hands he min/r with pf from the blinds when you say he's on the tighter side
This is the other problem with betting flop is we also have a gutter and when we turn it after getting CR we kinda hate it still where when we pot control we can call twice or bet twice pretty easilyI'm not GII on FD turn fwiw, I'd be calling and seeing the river, no reason to light your position on fire along with your $I'm folding turn to a pot bet. You say he's aware of ran
I agree. Idk why I said GII on turn. Don't think there's any reason to shove with just an overpair and flush draw. But to continue I guess only on fd turns or A.
Hero callTurn ($885) 5x so board is now full rainbowV pots with $900ish behindHero?So we turned the wheel, but we are dead to 76 and 62. He shouldn't have really any 62. 76 is possible with wrap kind of hands. He could also have sets, 2 pair with a now oesd, and other weaker hands. We also turned no flush draw. Do we just fold? He's a player that will say things going into the
5 isn’t great. Player dependent. Some people fire with sets here but really shouldn’t have any except 8s. If he has 3s and 4s I like a call even more. If I know the opponent is capable of betting a set here I call and evaluate river.
Not being able to improve sucks but we have position and it could go check check. Also some opponents will go crazy with 2 pair here thinking against just a naked AA.
I imagine folding turn is an exploit to opponents who have no bluffs. In theory we prolly never fold with the straight.
I imagine a lot of mediocre players are potting every turn except an ace assuming we have one pair. I would call turn and call most rivers. Shoving turn might be better to get value from 2 pair and sets before they whiff.
If we’re going to fold then then we should fold flop.
I disagree that V can't have the smaller sets. I've often seen this sort of preflop sizing with lots of double-paired hands from "tricky" type players in lower stakes PLO games. They're used to getting lots of calls from passive players so they want to "juice" the pot while keeping it multiway to get in good spots when they hit a set.
The right approach to punishing people who do this should be obvious.
