2/5 PLO I made a horrible fold / got bluffed
Hi all,
I played a hand at 2/5 PLO that has haunted me the last several days, mainly because looking back at the hand, I made a horrible mistake.
1.2K effective - I'm on the BTN with JxTd5d4x. 6 limpers to me and I decide to come in with the limp.
Flop: KdQdx - SB pots to 40. CO calls and I call.
Turn is a 9s. SB bets 60. CO calls and I raise to 320. SB calls and CO is all in for 200.
River is a Jd. SB leads for POT, putting me all in.
I just feel like this is never a bluff and after a couple min decide to fold second nuts because he's betting 840 into a side pot of only 240.
He ends up turning over a set of queens with no diamonds and the CO who was all in takes the main pot with a rivered straight.
Looking back on it, I think was extremely flustered in the moment and couldn't think straight. But now that I've had a chance to review, I feel like his range is almost always sets, maybe with some bad diamonds. I think if he had a hand like AQQxdd or AKKxdd, that he's always raising those hands PF. Also, I think he just gets those hands in on the turn a high percentage of the time. I wish I just flicked in a call but at the time, I couldn't imagine any scenario where he's bluffing.
Note: I also realize the limp PF is questionable. I want to play as many hands in position as I can but I also dont want to raise this hand on the BTN because in these games, almost nobody folds and I feel like I'm just lighting money on fire by raising this mediocre hand.
Lastly, if it isn't obvious, I am a rec player who has very few hours of playing live. I'm done playing online private games with ridiculous rake and cheaters. Live seems to be my best option.
Please let me know your thoughts. I appreciate any responses.
Thanks all
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This should probably go into a thread in a PLO forum (which I assume there is).
I haven't played PLO in many years and I was really really bad when I did play. But I will say this. You raised on the turn with the nuts JT for a straight. I'm guessing this is standard. SB called (and CO called all in). The river put a flush on the board. SB could have a flush. SB could have AT for the best straight. Calling for 840 to win 240 and not knowing the outcome of the main pot is difficult here particularly because SB can easily have an AXs flush. Any AXs flush because it was limped preflop. When I played I remember really loving hands where I had two suited Aces. Even one suited A seemed good.
The thing is though that there is no way for SB to know that you had a flush draw as well as a straight. That is probably why SB bluffed with a set. Knowing you had a straight. Now I get that it is hard to imagine that SB is bluffing with a worse hand for 840 to win a 240 side pot when he would clearly lose the main pot anyway to an obvious straight. But the bluff could be seen as possible because AT got there. And imagine if he had A of diamonds but no flush. It looks like it could look like he had improved with AT or a nut flush and clearly you having a flush would be random.
In general I tilt when I fail to make calls on river bluffs that would have given me a huge pot. Here though I would be fine to call because having the 2nd nuts is not obvious and I take it as a cooler not as a bad play.
Recently at Foxwoods I was playing in a 2/5 NL game and was down about $600. Nothing was going right. Then this hand happened. Straddle, raise to $25, call, I call with 66, call, call, call. So $150 or so in pot. Flop is 765 checks to me I bet $50 next guy who is Old White Guy like me makes it $225 and it folds to me. I call knowing he has a straight. But he could have 55. Or 77. Turn is a Q I check he bets $225. Which is almost half my stack (he has me covered). I call because I am getting the right price to hit my boat. And I hit my boat with a 7 on the river. I go all in and he calls. Instantly. Because it is like $275 to win $1,200 and I could have 43 or 84. Or even 98 too. I could have folded on the turn in order to not lose the $225. But I just thought I could fold the river if I missed and I just didn't want to fold my monster. So OWG did what you could have done and lost and yes he was tilted and left and his wife who was watching was not happy but it would have been a lot worse if he folded and I showed 43s/84s/88/65s...
It’s a good bluff by him, he can easily scoop the main.
Edit: I thought the pot was bigger. I’m probably folding.
Def some people this is a call against and others this is a fold against. You posted no reads on SB, considering what he turned over he's someone you can't ever fold this against. If you had 0 reads on him before this hand that would indicate something like this then folding is pretty reasonable in this spot
That said, not gonna be a lot of great spots for JT54 with a T high FD. This is literally about the best scenario you're gonna get is a turned straight with a free roll to the 2nd/3rd nuts, you inflate the pot to the max on the turn then fold the river when you make the 2nd nuts. You should probably consider a bunch of things about this hand starting with pf and then if you decide you still want to play hands like this perhaps you shouldn't inflate them when deepstacked if you're gonna get timid on the river
If you never get bluffed, you're a f'n call station.
Good fold
If a bad beat story can be solved with FOLD PRE…..
It’s not really a bad beat story
TLDR: fold pre
I think you played it pretty well on all streets. I'd have overlimped pre, I'd have called flop, I probably woulda raised a bit smaller on the turn is the only thing I'd do different, mostly because when you just raise pot you define your range as a ton of JT, whereas, if you raise to like 200 or so, you conceivably could have some other kinds of hands.
And you can't call the river, the guy donk bet 4x greater than the side pot on a card that changed the board. I'd have folded too.
