Middle sets in PLO

Assuming 100bb stacks, you can just fold now, but I'm not sure what you're trying to achieve in the first place with your raise. There's no draws on this board, so your bluffing range is basically *empty*. You should not have any raises in this spot.

Though actually we can't assume 100bb stacks because the HJ is raising to ~146bb, so what are the stack sizes please? You can't do this without stacks.

Yep, lets imagine that all players will be 200 BB deep and you are absolutely right ... now when I visualize this and see that my pot raise would already be 13,5 x 4 = 54, then it would not make sense at all 100 BB deep.

"but I'm not sure what you're trying to achieve in the first place with your raise"

My thought was that I could probably get bottom two, top bottom or even top 2 pairs to fold 200 BB deep and take the pot down immediately, because I am rep´ing a set quite directly and if HJ comes on top, he/she is saying that he has the nuts with AAxx.

If HJ would flat call, all the alarm bells would start ringing as well ofc and I would probably check the turn and hope to get to the showdown.

Alternatively, if I would call the SB´s bet and HJ comes on top after that, the story would be similar? Should I call at least once more or what is the meta? Is it a plain fold?

I am glad that I created this thread as you can clearly see that I am absolutely clueless in these spots 😃

I just realized that these 2-pair hands are exactly the hands I would like to play against on this board ...

Don't ever check raise to full pot unless you are getting more than half of your stack in.

You can easily fold after the other guy piles the money in on top of you. This board is so dry that you have to put him on 44 or an overplayed A9 which both are very unlikely.

Middle set is almost always a hand you want to play aggressively, but this board you picked is one that you just can't get a ton of value and you can't really rep any draws. The more draws you can rep, the stronger your middle set is. Here, I'd generally just x/c x/c x/c, or potentially x/r on the river if I thought he could be a lot wider for value.

Bottom set, especially out of position, I'm playing very passively, always x/c x/c x/c. Top set, I'm almost always playing very aggressively trying to get in vs lower sets, but the board matters. The more draws available, the more you should be raising, the fewer draws available, the more you should be playing more passively.

"Don't ever check raise to full pot unless you are getting more than half of your stack in."

Thank you for your feedback and yes, I deliberately picked the board, which is extremely dry and has an Ace for the first scenario just to see what is the mindset of professional players.

"The more draws you can rep, the stronger your middle set is. Here, I'd generally just x/c x/c x/c, or potentially x/r on the river if I thought he could be a lot wider for value."

Does it also depend on the Villain´s sizing and the stats?
Our Villain is a reg with stats 21/13) and if he barrels 3 times large or pot, would you ever consider folding it all together for example (no straights or flushes on river)?
or what should be the Villain´s stats to make you fold? Could you check-call 3 times a player with 20/3 for example?

And additionally...correct me if I am wrong, but there is a huge difference, whether the highest card is an A/ K or ja Q/ J. Especially in low/ micro stakes?
I have noticed that there is not so much raising preflop with QQxx, JJxx/ QQ+pair, JJ+pair type of hands in low stakes.

I've never heard that before, could you elaborate please

I'm fine with raising this board given SB donked out - SB rarely if ever has AA, we make a lot of money when he has A9/44/etc. On the flip side if our opponents adjust thinking we're only nutted raising this spot we can just start adding middling equity hands to our raising range so they overfold. As played we definitely should fold 200 bb deep - HJ has more AA than anyone of course, and we're representing 44+ yet here he is repotting. The cool thing with poker is this hand can play dramatically different against very tough/thinking opponents 3 handed.

Perhaps we can have a look at another scenario with slightly different flops
3 players, 100 BB deep.

A)
HJ (20/10) raises pot, Hero with 9s9c8s8h calls on CU and BB calls.
Flop (11,5 BB) Ks9h7c

BB checks, HJ raises pot, Hero ???

B)
HJ (20/10) raises pot, Hero with 9s9c8s8h calls on CU and BB calls.
Flop (11,5 BB) Kh9h7c

BB checks, HJ raises pot, Hero ???

I am really curios whether having a flush draw on flop changes anything in your eyes ...

C)
HJ (20/10) raises pot, Hero with 9s9c8s8h calls on CU and BB calls.
Flop (11,5 BB) Ks9c4h

BB checks, HJ raises pot, Hero ???

Raise A and B, flat C

Middle sets need logical thinking that's about fast or careful play.