KJT98

Let's forget the the hands and just talk about stacks for a moment. You started full stacked but everyone else is deep stacked. The difference is key to at least part of our strategy here. We are in the SB but because of the stack difference our positional disadvantage is less. We can be very aggressive out of position if we want. We can end our decision tree earlier on the flop or turn possibly. We can force a side pot for the other players where we are all in and get to realize our equity. The other 3 players with more money left behind can end up battling to where they get someone to fold that actually had reasonable equity and now we are over-realizing our equity.

With that understanding of the stack difference in place and what it does for us, now we can look at our hand and the board and everything that has happened up to this point and go forward. Surely it likely to be multiple views on how to proceed, but that top paragraph is etched in ****ing stone about our stack advantage.

Pre i'm probably just gonna try and get it in here since we are SB and i'd like to try and fold out some bigger flush draws, since they will have a real hard time calling you since they are so deep and you are shallow and the BB has AA almost always so if you can get the $600 dead and risk 2k in a $4600 pot - that will be slightly +EV imo. You need 43% equity and you probably have that against a lot of his range where you are probably 45%.

As played - you flop the nuts pretty much. I'd mix between lead $600 and jam any turn or check raise all in which I don't mind ether strategy.

Pot the flop , is think no other option here . Betting less and trying to get other players in will probably make you chop .

You want only 1 caller to freeroll hem on of the boards imo

Never played 5c dbbp and never played dbbp with blinds, only where everyone antes and we go straight to the flop...where is this game at?

At first glance it seems like we just pot out with our stack but the thing is we probably fold out only dry Q high FD by doing so given the boards. A/K high aren't folding and any reasonable Jxxxx also not folding so we are in a position we can sorta just invite in as much action as possible as it probably won't be easy to scoop anyway tho it's def doable. Seems like check getting it in may be best esp if we get BB/straddle to just pot it with AAxxxhh and nothing on the JJ7 board we can potentially scoop with 2pr/straight

Naked ahh or khh with nothing on the other board is not so happy to pot commit themselves on the flop.

That's maybe true, I've played big dbbp games with plenty people that would never fold the AAxx NFD with dry AA on other board. Also we don't totally care if those hands come in. Like I said tho I've only played 4c and with an ante where flops are 8-9h so the dynamics are a bit different here than where people can actually fold pf and pick the hands they're 3b/overcalling with

If we jam any hands that come along for the ride mostly are gonna be hands we're very likely to chop with and even have reasonable scoop potential themselves. No idea what the odds are we take it down on flop if donk pot here. We're likely to be up against 3 fairly good hands that have connected with 1 or both boards in some way and possibly very hard as well

I can see validity in both potting and checking

Weird game, but I have to agree with this. This is a clear jam.

Lead for sure, I'm not sure on best theoretical sizing; its quite possible Hero hand benefits from closer to half-pot sizing to pick up more callers than pot. Probably not a big EV difference so would decide mostly based on exploitative factors. BB is in an awkward spot with a lot of his aaxx and akxx combos, so large sizing may actually make his life easier.

Smaller sizing leads to more situations where dead money is squeezed on flop or turn, which is favorable for Hero.

Dont you think we prefer to maximize fold equity on 2nd board , where we can have decent equity only against 1 player ?

Part 1: Hero flopped well and Hero has less chips than the other three players. I think the most important point for Hero is to get all-in so that Hero can realize their equity and get all-in on as early a street as possible to let the other three players potentially push someone out afterwards and Hero over-realizes equity. On the flop Hero has 1700 remaining in stack and the pot is 1200. Hero cannot get all-in by himself over one street. Without any help Hero would need to bet over two streets. If Hero is trying to get all-in as soon as possible and leave the other three players a chance to push someone out, then Hero needs bet the flop. The flop checking through is the only real disaster for Hero and makes a flop check-raise attempt risky. Hero needs to bet the flop.

Part 2: I'm reluctant to mention Part 2 because I don't want the Part 1 to get lost in the conversation. But, Part 2 is the amount Hero should bet. I think it is of less importance than you guys are making out. Hero is the mosquito with the smaller stack. The other three players are the eliphants with thousands left in their stacks no matter what Hero bets. A mosquito trying to push or pull an eliphant doesn't matter much here in my view. The mosquito just needs to get all-in by the turn, realize equity and hope to over-realize equity. Also no one has mentioned the impact of what the side pot would look like which is an interesting thing that might effect the scales as to a best amount Hero should bet on the flop.