Two pair two flush draw limped pot
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Wild game
All the table limps to us , we're in the sb with qjj2 ds , check and bb checks .
Flop (200)
Q24 with out j high flush draw checks around. Turn 7 , brings our second flush draw , q high.
We bet 200 , get 3 callers , to the cut off , loose agro tilted player , who raises to pot to 1600.
We have 3500 , our image is very tight at this game.
Calling seems weird , plus it might bring in higher flush draw who called our bet .
Shoving seems like an overplay on a limped pot with 200 invested , and probably not much fold equity with our stack size .
And folding seems crazy against this player.
What do you guys do here ?
11 Replies
You can't call, you need to jam and clear up equity for your FD's as that's the main component of your hand unless dude is super tilted and just shipping a turned wrap or worse 2pr with a gutter etc
Against dry 77 you're 50/50, if he has 77 with one of your FD's covered you're pretty rekt. If he can have a bunch of other stuff like OESD + lower FD then the play is just get it in. Even if we're at a small equity loss vs his range there's $1.2k in the middle to play for now so it's gonna be a profitable but high varaiance spot. If you don't want the variance then fold is really your only option
Assuming you jam and only he calls you need 43% equity vs his range to basically break even. If you think you're ahead of his overall range by even a little you're printing here if you can keep any dry higher FD's out
You can't call, you need to jam and clear up equity for your FD's as that's the main component of your hand unless dude is super tilted and just shipping a turned wrap or worse 2pr with a gutter etcAgainst dry 77 you're 50/50, if he has 77 with one of your FD's covered you're pretty rekt. If he can have a bunch of other stuff like OESD + lower FD then the play is just get it i
For sure calling is the worse option..
It's either a wrap with flush draw , or 77 with something imo .
He was raising alot and 3betting tons . But post flop played more solid to this point.
Hereβs a good heuristic to remember.
If you donβt know what to do with your hand if it gets raised, itβs prolly not good enough to bet.
Check turn. It’s 8 ways and we’re oop, nothing good is going to happen.
So what are you doing here ?
Check call ?
Check raise ?
Not drawing to nuts
Marginal hand
Multi-way
You can check call with this hand. If facing heavy aggression just check fold.
I think I lead flop maybe half the time?
But as played I bet this turn 100%. Think checking is a reasonably sized leak.
Against this villain I cram, 77 seems like top of his range and most villains tend to look at set + fd and not pot it so his range is weighted away from flush draws that dominate you. He'd have to have a hand like ak77 specifically. You'll be facing lots of wrap+fd.
I think I lead flop maybe half the time?But as played I bet this turn 100%. Think checking is a reasonably sized leak.Against this villain I cram, 77 seems like top of his range and most villains tend to look at set + fd and not pot it so his range is weighted away from flush draws that dominate you. He'd have to have a hand like ak77 specifically. You'll be facing lots of wrap
Not entirely sure leading turn into this many will be great overall, we don't really like our hand if raised by almost any reasonable player and we can't VB any improvements on river other than a boat. I guess we can have good enough flushes when we hit we could go 30% on river if we get 2 or less callers
This is described as a wild game. So we're going to get a lot of people chasing. Multiway we're more likely to be beaten, and betting normally accomplishes folds from a lot of hands we want to fold or calls from a lot of hands we want to beat.
And despite it being wild, we're the only one with an uncapped range, and with the flop checked through, we've got the best hand and / or the best equity a lot of the time. We've essentially got the top of our range here - arguably a better hand in this spot than bare top set.
Ideally we'd pick up just one caller, but our hand is both too strong and too vulnerable to give away a free card.
Think I bet pot for similar reasons.