DBBP, OOP, 360BB Deep Spot

I think putting in a xr on flop is better than call.

As played I think fold is fine; other board removing our boat outs is harmful, and we can discount other useful cards given the action.

Finally, implied odds seem on the lower side. While good things can still happen, a lot of villain's decisions will be straightforward.

I think the issue is we are too deep OOP to start blasting flop.

And the turn while we have the equity to call, the problem is we won’t realize most of it as we are OOP and very often will face a river bet and have to fold our equity if we don’t improve.

Curious to more discussion though.

Not totally sure what anyone can tell you here. In every thread you post about chk 100% of hands OOP and c/r our nut/nut draw hands which is exactly what you have and then you just c/c it. If we're up against 854x on the flop we're a small dog up top and almost a 3:1 favorite on bottom. We also have no indication we're up against that strong of a hand. We have lots of good turns that we can hit if we are up against that and if V makes the mistake of bet calling a dry 54xx on flop there are even more good turns that won't be able to stand much heat on the turn such as 5, 8, 9, T. Also if we c/r flop MP may very well go away and we get hu vs CO so the pot would be smaller. We could then more comfortably c/c these turns

As played our equity vs 854x on both boards is pretty close to indifferent to either calling or folding if $0 more goes in when we improve. If he also holds diamonds then us calling would be a small loss in this situation but when we hit it also makes it more likely he will call when we lead out. Let's just say hypothetically we improve on both run outs on the river to nutted hands....depending how we do it whether it's a diamond on both or diamond and board pair or gutter up top and diamond on bottom, etc... There is some amount we can bet between $1k-1.5k that is likely to get crying called in looking like a possible block bet. And when we improve to the nuts on only 1 board we can donk pot on river and if the other run out looks bad for his actual hand we may get a fold even if it's just a small %

So cases can be made for calling or folding turn and I think both are ok....not c/r flop seems like a pretty decent sized mistake tho given our equity vs pretty much any hand he can have on the flop and we have the perfect hand to force some big mistakes on later streets

Ya as more discussion is being had with everyone I speak to, perhaps I misjudged the flop and incorrectly assumed my stack size is too large to start piling money in OOP. Even 250bb or less I would have gladly XR flop and jammed almost any turn.

Perhaps my mental threshold of 300bb being where we want to pot control ALL hands OOP due to our stack size being too large is incorrectly calibrated and it should be something more like 500bb or 800 bb before we start pot controlling even our nutted hands.

A trend you will notice, not with all players but def with some is that when you are playing your hand defensively some will take control and start playing their hand super aggressively even with hands that you understand have no business playing that aggro. This hand obv went to SD with the all in player....I wouldn't be shocked if this guy turned over the dry 54xx bc he "wanted to protect his hand" after you showed little to no interest in the hand up to this point

I mostly agree with LucidDream,
I guess as played we have to fold turn, a double straight seems pretty likely if CO is at least somewhat competent and against that we only have 25-30% combined.
Extra money from MP helps a bit but it's not enough to compensate (we have to call 2800 for a pot of 4400, need 39%)

Flop I would always raise, although I do see the point in treating the OOP super deep situation carefully, here it is just too good of an opportunity to miss.

There are 3 hands that inexperienced players might overvalue and that we can profitably raise against:
66xx and 77xx --> we have 62%
54 (as it is current nuts on top + open ender on the bottom) ---> we have 54% [and the playability advantage that Lucid mentioned]