Trips facing big flop raise
1/2/5 ~450 effective
I am in BB with QQ96 rainbow
We get a few limpers , CO raises to 30, I call. 5 ways to flop
Flop ( 180 ) 995 rainbow
I donk 100 , folds to CO who raises and puts me all in. Hero?
10 Replies
Assuming this is a 1/2 game 5 to come in and not a 3 blind game I'd usually just fold pf with trash QQ for a 6x open and these stacks
What did you expect to happen on the flop? You like your hand unless someone wants to actually put their stack in then you hate it? Your hand has little ability to improve, I'm starting with a check
As played just put the rest of it in and pray he's overplaying his hand worse than you are and if he isn't learn your lesson the hard way, it will be easier to remember at least if you lose your whole stack
If we’re going to donk into the field we should bet small like 50-60. Obv fold to a raise, we will have plenty of 95 and A9 that stack off.
That said I think checking is better, see what develops. We can check fold to a single bet from a nit, for example. If two players are interested it’s likely someone has 55 and we are in bad shape against that.
I just fold pre-flop from OOP unless CO is some kind of maniac -- but I probably still fold w/ the other players waiting to limp/raise if he is a maniac.
Check the flop. As played, sigh-call, bink or reload.
You are basically set mining with your holding (hence the difficult decision that caused this post) and your not deep enough to call the $30 pre for it to be worth it, so I agree with the fold pf. If effective stacks are $750+, then you can call. Agree with the flop check as well. As played, this is really read dependent, but with no reads I am regretfully folding. Most likely drawing to 5 outs that may not end up being good anyway.
Folding pre, going to be hard to realize equity with your specific hand multiway unless it comes Qxx, on a static locked down board or something. even if it comes KQx or AQx it's still not amazing.
Pre is pretty terrible and I'd be folding this single-suited.
As played you can't fold, but you also can't call. So you call, because you can't fold. This is what happens too frequently when you call a raise OOP with a hand that's as trash as this
Yeh fold pre - as played have to call it off. Going to be behind here but equity wise its a call.
It could be worthwhile to ask what would be the bottom of preflop calling range here with QQ? I think rainbow we want at most one gapper but even that might be too much. With ss I would be looking for 3 card connectivity with less than three gaps preferably. Maybe some QQ76ss type ok with high suit.
As played you want to ask what are we aiming to achieve with this big bet on 995r on 5way flop? Check or small (20-30%) bet would be way more reasonable. There is kind of always decent value in equity denial in these kind of absurdly multiway pots but that value goes way down with big bet. It also decreases chance of anything weaker to continue.
It could be worthwhile to ask what would be the bottom of preflop calling range here with QQ? I think rainbow we want at most one gapper but even that might be too much. With ss I would be looking for 3 card connectivity with less than three gaps preferably. Maybe some QQ76ss type ok with high suit.
Pretty simple to solve this as a thought experiment and using a solver
If you're playing 1/2 with a $5 bring in aka $5 to limp and you're in the $2 bb and now someone makes it $30, they've just made it 15bb essentially
So now just treat it as if you're playing straight 1/2 or even straight 2/5 and someone makes it 15bb so $30 or $75 respectively. This is basically the same as if you are in the bb and facing a situation where you would be cold calling a 3b. So go to the solver and look up the range for what you should be cold calling a CO vs BTN 3b from the BB and you will get the widest possible range you should be calling with. Also factor in you have limpers in this particular situation and if we have a very aggro pfr here then some of them might be looking to limp RR. We really should have a pretty tight range in this spot
Probably the biggest mistake I see people making in these 1/2 games that are often 1/2/5 or 1/2/10 if there's a good amount of straddling is playing too wide from the blinds for like, 15-25bb. If you're never forced to put in more than $3 per round but are calling trash from the blinds for $30 you're basically destroying your ability to beat the game
Also if you can't figure out on your own what the situations are in which you could call a bit lighter than what the solver recommends, then you should be calling extremely tight. If you don't have the capability yet to think 1-3 steps ahead or consider potentials for how the hand can play out in different scenarios then there's no shame in that, you simply aren't experienced enough of a poker player to do that yet. But trying to play 1-3 steps beyond your ability to think will absolutely get you in a lot of trouble overall. We should always start off tight and then loosen our standards in situations as they arise in accordance with our ability to navigate those situations well....which will be based on our experience as well as how much we study and think about the game and different possible situations
It could be worthwhile to ask what would be the bottom of preflop calling range here with QQ? I think rainbow we want at most one gapper but even that might be too much. With ss I would be looking for 3 card connectivity with less than three gaps preferably. Maybe some QQ76ss type ok with high suit.As played you want to ask what are we aiming to achieve with this big bet on 995
Agreed - really anyone betting this 5 ways has to have 9x+ so there's minimal value. We aren't concerned here with equity denial for the most part, and if checks through maybe we find a street or two of value.