DBBP: Bottom Set and Trips, Folded on Bad Turns
Double board bomb pot
6 players
50 each
I have no idea what I’m doing at any point in this hand.
Pot 300
Flop 1: 6d 5s 3d
Flop 2: 4c 2c 2h
SB Hero (2.1k stack) checks with As 3s 3c 2s
BB fish (1k stack) checks
MP fish (4k stack) checks
HJ pro (4k stack) checks
CO pro (3k stack) checks
BTN Villain pro (7k stack) bets 200
Hero calls 200
BB folds
MP folds
HJ folds
CO folds
Pot 700
Turn 1: 6d 5s 3d 4h
Turn 2: 4c 2c 2h Qc
Hero checks
Villain bets 600
Hero folds
12 Replies
I think I might lead cheap here on the flop with strong equity on both boards. Villain may be relying on position rather than the pure strength of his hand.
It would be very hard to beat both bottom set and the nut trips. I think I have to see the rivers come out.
I wanted to check-pot the flop. But that doesn't even get half my stack in. I don't know what to do on a lot of turns if I get called.
Because I couldn't check-pot most of my stack, I guess I should've led out for 100 or 150. Maybe some idiot raises me with dry 74xx and I can get it in?
I don't like leading here, essentially you would lead in order to get everyone to fold
I think it can work to x/raise vs. the fish, hoping to get it in vs. weak 74, as you mentioned.
vs. a good player I think x/call flop is a decent play, you have two medium strong hands, are still relatively deep and OOP, so let's see some turn cards
-->turn cards are not helpful at all, so x/folding is an option
On the flop:
good scenarios: Villain has 2xxx with diamonds (last 2 is the 2d, so quite likely)
villain has weakish 74
bad scenarios: villain has the last combo of 44 or he has 42
On the turn, 44 and 42 still have you in bad shape and the 74xx / 2xxdd combos that did not improve are likely to check back
Looks to me well played.
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It just really sucks that I didn't get to see two more cards on both boards. I don't even know what I'd do if both turns are bricks. Check-call a big bet? Check-jam? Check-fold???
With medium-strong equity on two boards, would it not be a good idea to bet to charge people with medium equity on one board or weak equity on two boards? Or do we need to be pretty nutted to lead into five other people?
I'm very new to DBBP. But it seems like it's very hard for anyone to have more total equity than us on the flop. (But when they do, I guess we're f*cked?)
Theorywise you should have very few leads from the first position. You have no range advantage (obviously in a bomb pot) and the worst position.
I usually only deviate from that when there is a paired board that I have locked up. So here I would probably only lead 44 and 22, maybe also something like AK42 with diamonds.
The idea of a medium2 hand is often to gauge whether we can get it heads up or not, as such a hand can be badly crushed multiway. In this specific hand I would go for the checkraise against the fish to get it heads up. If BTN is a pro he should have some light stabs when checked to, so there is an argument for check-raising him as well. On the other hand, 42xx is not super hard to have and I wouldn't want to expose my stack against that hand with only 25-30% equity. IMO your SPR is a little too high for that, at SPR 5 or lower, a x/r GII can never be that bad.
I wanted to check-pot the flop. But that doesn't even get half my stack in. I don't know what to do on a lot of turns if I get called.
Because I couldn't check-pot most of my stack, I guess I should've led out for 100 or 150. Maybe some idiot raises me with dry 74xx and I can get it in?
Cr flop in this scenario isn’t done to “get half our stack in”. It’s done to clean up equity and get some FDs out or get someone to make a bad call with the nut straight getting 1/4d
If you think you have enough equity you can do this and kinda blindly ship any turn with your stack vs BTN and expect to chop a high%. It’s just a high variance spot that is typically gonna be more profitable than a c/c 1 or 2 times then c/f bad run outs which are often coming
Leading is probably our worst option
FWIW you’re essentially playing a 25/50 game with 40bbs…there’s not a ton of room for post flop play with your stack. You just need to be comfortable getting your stack in rather than spewing off 4-6bb with flop calls where you have no idea what to do on any turns as you said
Cr flop in this scenario isn’t done to “get half our stack in”. It’s done to clean up equity and get some FDs out or get someone to make a bad call with the nut straight getting 1/4dIf you think you have enough equity you can do this and kinda blindly ship any turn with your stack vs BTN and expect to chop a high%. It’s just a high variance spot that is typically gonna be mor
I like this answer the most. Is there a way to train to know what to do in these situations other than play a bunch more DBBP and ship thousands of dollars in the middle; sometimes correctly, sometimes incorrectly. Then post on 2+2?
I’ve personally just played a ton of DBBP but think JNandez has a course but I’ve never checked it out
There's some stuff on YouTube, but not much.
