A stupid question from a newbie.

Probably over 10bb/100.

But this also depends a lot on your rakeback level and PVI. Also depends if you play rush & cash or normal tables.

Thank you! Normal tables.

normal tables are much much better - lower rake and much softer field.

R&C is only for grinders or people who want volume above all.

Way, way more. I would guess rake is at least 30bb/100 at PL2

i am not sure where you have that number, it sounds astronomically high. I cannot find any source that says rake is more than 6-7% (it used to be 5%).

From experience. The lowest stakes I have numbers from is is PL50. On Party, 6-handed around 10k hand sample rake has been 21,23 bb/100.

It is mostly 5% capped at $3, yes.

ChatGPT seems to think PL2 6-max is raked around 25bb/100 which sounds very low to me. Of course, you can also just get involved less (i.e. lower VPIP) which lowers the rake a bit.

I mean maybe i am missing something, but i have 100bb and get it all in against another 100bb stack and win, then i do not cash 200bb, but also not 140bb - maybe i get 187bb - 188bb. And if i win a small pot of 10bb, i get 9.4bb, 9.5bb, and not 7bb. So i do not know where 30% rake comes from, which would be the lower numbers i am posting above.

I understand that you are a live player and I need to explain it from the scratch. I did not say that the rake is 30%. I said (well my first guess was at least) 30bb/100. bb/100 means big blinds per 100 hands.

Thus in your first example in PL2 the rake would be 5% from 200bb which is 10bb. Play the same hand 100 times and you get raked 1000bb/100. That is how it works. You should probably investigate how much rake you are paying in your live game.

I mean if you play that hand 100 times you also win 10.000, so the comparison makes no sense.

I understand if the rake is 5%, you might pay more rake or less rake depending on how active you are. But if you play 25% VPIP, you cannot realistically pay more than 30bb per 100 hands in rake. If so, who exactly is winning? Never heard of an online win rate that high.

It's not a comparison, it's a fact. Try to investigate what bb/100 means and you will understand. I already explained it though.

Yes you can. It depends on the rake % (5% everywhere that I know), rake cap in bb (varies a lot of course) and how your opponents play.

This is a bit of a strange argument. Of course it's possible that nobody is winning! That is very likely true in say 5-card live games.

Win rates are always presented AFTER rake. Here is a 100k sample where the win rate WITHOUT rake is 34,77 evbb/100.

I now realize that I cut the stakes off from the screenshot. Up row (in $) 1/2, middle .50/1 and bottom .25/.50. Look at the rake bb/100 column. Do you now realize why I'd guess the rake in .01/0.02 is at least 30bb/100?

Do you understand that if getting a 100bb stack in and winning is raked 10bb, then suddenly 30bb per 100 hands doesn't sound like a lot? I don't understand what you don't understand so it is getting a bit difficult to help.