AQT9
1-2-4 (1) PLO. V in HJ is 47/23 over 15K hands. He is unknown as are the others. 400 eff.
Hero in sb with AQT9ds with A9hh
Pre: V opens 16, co btn call, hero makes it 90 only V calls
Flop (222) : K77hh
Hero has about 310 back.
22 Replies
I think pot is fine (puts K in a very tough spot), but you can also do things like range bet 60 and print vs most villains.
This is a really general question that doesn't really have one straight-forward answer imo. Pot, 1/3 pot, and checking are all options here. It really depends on what your strategy is on the turn, history with V during this session, the current game flow, how you want the other players to view you at the table, etc.
He raised pre and with the low SPR, AK is most likely calling so maybe 1/3 pot is best. On the other hand, QQ and KQ are most likely folding, so pot might be best. I would probably want to keep the aggression up and help get me paid off more later on if I do get called by AK, so I probably pot it.
This is a really general question that doesn't really have one straight-forward answer imo. Pot, 1/3 pot, and checking are all options here. It really depends on what your strategy is on the turn, history with V during this session, the current game flow, how you want the other players to view you at the table, etc. He raised pre and with the low SPR, AK is most likely calling
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The only difference I have experimented with that seems to get about the same result is instead of using pot I use 2/3 pot. So here on this paired board with a flush draw possible, I would either check, bet 1/3 pot or bet 2/3 pot.
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If this paired board had been rainbow, my choices would be check or bet 1/3 pot.
Yeh seems like a good spot to pot and rep AA.
I thought I would expand on something. People post hands with their specific cards and a specific board. They get specific ideas of the best way to play that specific situations. Here POT is getting mentioned often, but I actually don't think if we pull out to all paired boards that POT is used very often. Therefore, the answers in this specific thread for these specific cards and board don't carry over very in my opinion and therefore why I posting the below.
First off I'm a human trying to play well. Here is how I play heads up 3-bet pots out of position as the preflop aggressor on a paired board with a flush draw possible. I either check, c-bet 1/3 pot or c-bet 2/3 pot. But the lion's share is done with a c-bet of 1/3 pot. My human way to use the larger c-bet sizing of 2/3 pot is only for a non-ace wheel card pair with the other card not being a broadway card.
955, 944, 933, 922
855, 844, 833, 822
755, 744, 733, 722
655, 644, 633, 622
544, 533, 522
455, 433, 422
355, 344, 322
255, 244, 233
Some people get butthurt around here if you go into too much detail, but this is trivial and only what this one human is doing to try and play well (and if playing online try and play multiple tables well and fast).
Pot is used a lot when all big sizes are more or less committing i.e. it has to do with depth. I don't know how much you've studied poker so sorry if this is obvious (I know it's not to all the readers anyway).
The only difference I see here (as 2/3 pot bets half your stack) is that you are kinda able to b66-fold which may or may not increase your EV. What I will claim though is that that difference in EV is tiny.
Pot is used a lot when all big sizes are more or less committing i.e. it has to do with depth. I don't know how much you've studied poker so sorry if this is obvious (I know it's not to all the readers anyway).The only difference I see here (as 2/3 pot bets half your stack) is that you are kinda able to b66-fold which may or may not increase your EV. What I will claim though is
You fill plenty of threads with total noise.
This thread is about 3 bet pots out of position as the preflop aggressor on a paired board that has a flush draw possible.
The sizing was minor over whether you bet pot or 2/3 pot as your biggest sizing. But what isn't minor is that I was politely trying to tell everyone that this K77/ss board is not the type you should be betting big on.
Christ, I went searching for video evidence and sat through an hour video to find it.
If you force a solver into a bet sizing choice in a heads up 3bet pot out of position as preflop aggressor on a paired board with a flush draw possible it will choose a 2/3 pot sizing over a pot sizing. !!! I circled it in blue marker. And it will mostly be using 1/3 pot a lot more than whatever bigger sizing is used.
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And no matter if you guys want to use pot or 2/3 pot, the proper hands to be using the bigger sizing on are the one I took the ****ing time to post earlier...
non-ace wheel pairs with the other card being a non-broadway. I circled them in blue marker here too.
You fill plenty of threads with total noise.This thread is about 3 bet pots out of position as the preflop aggressor on a paired board that has a flush draw possible. The sizing was minor over whether you bet pot or 2/3 pot as your biggest sizing. But what isn't minor is that I was politely trying to tell everyone that this K77/ss board is not the type you should be betting bi
Great post and very polite! I believe that you sincerely think what you post is important i.e. the opposite of total noise. I do the same.
However, why is this thread about 3 bet pots etc etc? OP asked what to do in this exact spot and people responded.
I don't now have the time to look at the solver video, but if it somehow reveals a huge EV difference between betting 2/3 and 1/1 with SPR around 1,4 I am more than happy to change my mind and sincerely thank you.
I thought I would expand on something. People post hands with their specific cards and a specific board. They get specific ideas of the best way to play that specific situations. Here POT is getting mentioned often, but I actually don't think if we pull out to all paired boards that POT is used very often. Therefore, the answers in this specific thread for these specific ca
.... blah blah noise... OP asked what to do in this exact spot and people responded...blah blah noise
Bro, I expanded on the thread.
Bro you are a dick. and you dick up many threads. And when called out on being a dick you go running for fake cover.
And not only did I expand on thread, I showed that betting pot or any big sizing on this exact post in this thread of k77/ss board is wrong.
Humans need to do something that is able to be put into practice, executed, or carried out well.
In a heads up 3-bet pot out of position as the preflop aggressor on a paired board where a flush draw is possible, have a checking range, a small 1/3 pot cbetting range and a larger cbetting range. The larger cbetting range for a human trying to play well (especially multi-tabling online) can best be implemented by always betting your non-ace wheel pairs where the other card is a non-broadway.
As far as I can see, amok mostly posts well, and you're a crank. Prove me wrong, both of you
As far as I can see, amok mostly posts well, and you're a crank. Prove me wrong, both of you
And this is classic clown posting from you that i could quote in thread after thread.
Several of you are the resident fools why the section is dead.
I just posted in one sentence how a human can play 3 bet pots out of position as the heads up aggressor well on a paired flop with a flush draw possible. I did it in a single implementable sentence.
You in twenty years of being here have learned nothing. Although it really wasn't twenty years because you had many breaks to deal with your drug issues. But wow, you clogged up another thread with your bullcrap.
Check your top2 oop 4way pot thread. I tried to help you improve. And damn you need a lot of improvement in your play and posting. But I'm done with you too. You gus are too stupid to know how stupid you are.
This section deserves to fail. I'm done spoon feeding implementable strategies to you clowns.
You replied a few times to my posts, but I couldn't understand a word.
I was asking advices, you weren't really giving me advices on how to play but kept saying stuff that makes no sense.
Yea, I need alot of work in my games that's why I post here.
Maybe you're correct or wrong, it doesn't really matter, everyone has their own opinions as well. You have to respect their own opinions.
What is correct to you might be wrong to others.
So before you pounce on others, try asking why are others so different than you. Why is everyone on this planet so different than you?
Even if you sprout gibberish in my other posts, did I attack you? No, we all should respect each other in a "humanly" way. lol
Calm down, kiddos.
So where is the EV coming from in bet 2/3 vs bet 1/1? Or is it just that solver says so, thus it must be optimal? Without understanding "why" solvers are not very useful imo.
Christ, I went searching for video evidence and sat through an hour video to find it. If you force a solver into a bet sizing choice in a heads up 3bet pot out of position as preflop aggressor on a paired board with a flush draw possible it will choose a 2/3 pot sizing over a pot sizing. !!! I circled it in blue marker. And it will mostly be using 1/3 pot a lot more than whate
That's great and all but I believe this is a 1/2 live PLO game so we should be playing highly exploitable not what the solver is recommending.
Live vs. online are different worlds especially in PLO - I don't know what got into September, but he sounds riled up - we are all trying to get better and thank you for the link to the video - will have to watch and take some notes! Lol
That's great and all but I believe this is a 1/2 live PLO game so we should be playing highly exploitable not what the solver is recommending.
I play mostly 2/2 and 5/5 Live 5&4 Card PLO and although solver info can be very helpful at times, you are losing a LOT of EV if you try to play a more solver based style in these games. A highly exploitable style is by far the optimal strategy. 90% of the players in these lineups don't even know what a solver is, let alone play like one lol. If this were a live game, betting pot or 2/3 pot usually makes no difference in how V will play the hand moving forward.
However, I believe this is an online game as I doubt he has 15K live hand histories on V! 2/3 pot may well be a more profitable play over betting pot in this situation, I haven't played online in over a decade so I would defer to others with more experience online. Regardless, take a breathe, we can be better than this thread.
Although it really wasn't twenty years because you had many breaks to deal with your drug issues. But wow, you clogged up another thread with your bullcrap.
I never took breaks from poker because of drugs. I took breaks from other aspects of my life because I loved drugs. I still love drugs and take them. I'm sad for you that you've never got to experience drugs. I ♥ drugs
I thought solver and exploit against recs woudl say betting 1/3 would have been what i thought. lot of newer players/recs fold to these boards more than they should i thought.
interesting read with the posts. i def learned some things and ofc i appreciate amoks and lot of veteran posters here insights
