Live ~ flop is snap fold? or float?

Against the general population with two players in and one behind, I peel one. Straddle would have to be insanely strong/aggro to check/raise here.

you have multiple back doors and a gut shot to the nuts. Even against a dry set you are 30% and you only need 21% to call which you certainly have against almost anything. Just fold the turn if it's bad and he piles.

The bdnfds make me want to call.

Again, you are not a total noob and if you need to ask it is not a snap anything. I also would not call calling a float. 2 backdoors, gutter, overpair. I would call and it's not very close.

Am I out to lunch for considering cbet to be a little better than checking?

I don't like a c-bet because I don't want to face a raise -- I'm not quite ready to commit on this flop.

Bet the flop. A set might not even raise.

I'll go to lunch with you

If you guys c-bet and someone pots it, what's the plan? Just shove and pray?

Fold as we're blocking the hands we want them to have i.e. wraps and unblocking the hands we don't want them to have i.e. sets

Though my mind could be changed if OP were willing to supply more demographic data. The nature of their genitals might be key here

100%

Ep ~ white
Co ~ indian
Straddle ~ black
all male 40s+

Why didn't you just say so to start as this makes this a clear check/raise gii now!

In all seriousness, other than flopping a made hand or flush draw, this is about as good of a flop as you are going to get. You absolutely peel one. I am with Munga, this is a cbet all day long for me as well, 1/3 to 1/2.

The guys I play against are 3betting the flop w/ KT and 44, so I'm not betting unless I'm committed. Plus, if they all just flat, there are a lot of turn cards we are not thrilled with.

I check range on this flop as I think it makes things a lot easier.

This would be a complete disaster and opens up a check-raise.

You would not have the odds to call if they check-raise all in.

No it doesn't, we're first to speak. We don't get raised very often, and when we do it's with a range that crushes our hand. On top of that, many will flat sets here or chase their QJT9 type hands.

lol i was joking.

This is a part of why betting may be better here, but in any case you can call the flop with your direct nut equity & implied odds and the reasonable chance of picking up another draw on the turn.

So what are we doing if we peel, straddle calls, and the turn comes heart or club with ~1.2 ish SPR?

Say it goes pot, call, fold. We're looking at all in (ish) getting 3:1 (ish).

It feels like this is one of those bad cascading equity spots where we talk ourselves into a call, which turns into talking ourselves into another call, and then we end up stacked with a pocket full of skalansky bucks while we reload.

Is it a huge mistake to say "if I'm going to take on that variance, I'd prefer to do it in a slightly higher EV spot?" and fold here?

Always calling with nut gutter and two bdnfds. You'll be able to call again on a lot of turns

Easiest call.

We can bet flop as well with 2BDFD, OP, NG, and board pair blocker.

Our hand doesn’t care what happens or how much money goes in. We can comfortably call any bet and XR and play a plethora of turns and rivers.

Call, double nut bdfd, nut gutshot, overpair, you might as well be ahead rn. decide OTT