AAT8ss v. Supernit, 6-Bet or Call 750bb Deep?
Live 1β2
Tight table. Like watching paint dry.
UTG nitty semi-fish folds
EP nit folds
MP nitty semi-fish folds
HJ Hero raises to 10 with Ad As Td 8h (1.5k stack)
CO nit folds
BTN nit calls 10 (1k stack)
SB nitty semi-fish calls 10 (1k stack)
BB supernit raises to 50
Hero raises to 170
BTN folds
SB folds
BB raises to 530
Is there any merit to just flatting his 5-bet with all of my AAxx and hoping he checkβfolds some flops? Or should I just jam with all of my AAxx and run it twice? (If I lose this pot, Iβm never getting even in this game.)
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Considering you have position and know he has the other two AA it's probably fine to call here.
Not gonna be a ton of flops at that SPR
Gotta hope for like a 987 or JT9er
If villain is a super nit, do we need to 4b single suited AAxx, if his range is going to contain mainly AAxx hands?
I am genuinely curious as I'm not a 4c player.
I would never jam pre here, and I would never fold any flop and pot if he checks.
Is he 3b all his aces or just premium aces? I feel like our aces are around average and flatting seems ok. The last thing we want is a third player tagging along knowing all 4 aces are out.
Flat. Supernits misplay low SPR flops (fold too much).
If we flat, I think the only flops we can consider folding are three clubs or three hearts. He has to have one (or both!) of those suits covered. (654hh or 654cc wouldn't be fun flops either.)
So if we flat, we get a small edge from him check-folding some flops. His AAxx are super premium and he's already committed 35% of my stack, so there won't be more than a handful of flops where this happens.
Is that small edge better than getting the money in pre and running it twice to hedge the variance? Premium AAxx v. AAxx chops less than half the time.
So if we flat, we get a small edge from him check-folding some flops. His AAxx are super premium and he's already committed 35% of my stack, so there won't be more than a handful of flops where this happens.
Is that small edge better than getting the money in pre and running it twice to hedge the variance? Premium AAxx v. AAxx chops less than half the time.
BullyEyelash-parody or what? How much value would you assign to being able to run it twice? Consider the possibility of ignoring the variance and concentrating on getting the maximum edge.
456, 689s etc are good boards since he always has AAxx and you always have four cards. It seems like you don't bother to think the spot much from his side.
why would you ever rit with someone who you don't want at the table?
So if we flat, we get a small edge from him check-folding some flops. His AAxx are super premium and he's already committed 35% of my stack, so there won't be more than a handful of flops where this happens.
Is that small edge better than getting the money in pre and running it twice to hedge the variance? Premium AAxx v. AAxx chops less than half the time.
Edit: Is there any value in folding, racking up 650 BBs, and leaving this terrible game? For every flop a supernit might c/f, arenβt there some where hero will be in a very difficult spot if v jams?
So if we flat, we get a small edge from him check-folding some flops. His AAxx are super premium and he's already committed 35% of my stack, so there won't be more than a handful of flops where this happens.Is that small edge better than getting the money in pre and running it twice to hedge the variance? Premium AAxx v. AAxx chops less than half the time.
BullyEyelash-parody or
Are you presuming hero will fold boards like QJ9 & K88 if villain shoves?
Easy, brotha! What iβm trying to clumsily say is Iβm not seeing villain check folding anything but a diamond/spade monotone board that doesnβt give him a set, which is well under 3%, after putting in such a big chunk of his stack (weβre not given it but it seems he covers hero) and getting over 2-1.
Whereβs the edge for hero to maximize? Arenβt there plenty of trap flops for AAT8 v a supernitβs 5bet BB AAds?
Iβm not rit because Iβdβve gotten up from this game with $1500 a long time ago.
Youβve been a pro for over 17 years, when was the last time you played βpaint dryβ 1-2?
Boomer, Iβd love to see the results of this one, just so we can range a 1-2 super nit
But you were asking ME what to do. I jam every board. Go ask the supernit on what boards he won't put one thousand dollers in. Maybe 468r will be a standard check-fold for him. Who knows?
There are no trap flops, because in reality there is no flop play. I understand that it's hard to understand, but from the replies it seems like you are the only one not getting it.
I have been a pro for over 20 years. You are correct that if you don't see value in a game you should leave.
Spoiler
I've never been in this situation before and didn't know what to do. So I shoved pre to make it easy. He had AA65 double-suited. We ran it twice and he three-quartered me.
The first flop was JJ3 rainbow. I wonder if there was any chance I could've bluffed him had I just called pre.
But you were asking ME what to do. I jam every board. Go ask the supernit on what boards he won't put one thousand dollers in. Maybe 468r will be a standard check-fold for him. Who knows?
There are no trap flops, because in reality there is no flop play.
Exactly. The (not so super) nit is jamming every flop too. The only thing I didnβt understand was this non-existent edge you were talking about.
I think trust your read and fold pre. Think flatting is the worst option, w/ jam being slightly better.
Ok good to know.
The only thing I didn't understand was this non-existent edge you were talking about.
Not sure what you mean. Then again you seem to have very good reads on villain even if he is a live player on a different continent.
I think trust your read and fold pre. Think flatting is the worst option, w/ jam being slightly better.
Excellent post.
Ok good to know.
The only thing I didn't understand was this non-existent edge you were talking about.
Not sure what you mean. Then again you seem to have very good reads on villain even if he is a live player on a different continent.
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OP posted Vβs hand in a spoiler