Tough decision with straight
This is my home game. I'll pick up action on the turn 1-2 NL Big O
I'm on the button, the board is K/J/8/A with 2 hearts (Jack and 8). I have 2/7/Q/10/K with the 7 & 10 of Hearts. There's probably $100 in the pot on the turn
V1 - Very good player, best player at the game who is up $1,000 - bets $40 - stack of about $1,200
V2 - Loose, passive doesn't like to fold just calls the $40 stack of about $500
V3 - Maniac in the game goes all in for $120
While I'm pondering calling the bet as I have a small heart redraw and an OK low, V1 announces all in. I have about $600.
I ask to clarify, if I call the $120, does the all in bet stand and they say yes. I reluctantly decide to fold as I am 100% sure V1 has Q/10 and either a better heart draw or better low draw
V2 folds and the river is revealed to be an offsuit 3
They both had broadway but V1 also had 2/3 and is counterfeited. I would have won the low with 2/7 and split the high 3 ways. Do you just say ok and go all in, is this a bad fold? Looking for some advice. My read though was correct that he had the same hand and a better low but he had no hearts. These are tricky spots. Thank you
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Well villain did have a better low draw, and that adds a lot of equity to his hand. The two of you have roughly equal equity heads-up and villain is typically the equity favorite if you get it all-in 3way.
His re-raise could have been a misplay, especially since he missed seeing you hadn't acted but your fold is still probably correct. Don't have all the info which would let me give a better assesment.
Fold pre
Well villain did have a better low draw, and that adds a lot of equity to his hand. The two of you have roughly equal equity heads-up and villain is typically the equity favorite if you get it all-in 3way.His re-raise could have been a misplay, especially since he missed seeing you hadn't acted but your fold is still probably correct. Don't have all the info which would let me
I know he isn't shoving his whole stack with only Q/10 and no redraw. I feel like if other guys at the table who are more maniacs or loose did that I may call because they don't consider redraws.
The reason why you should not play horseshitty hands is this and the other hand you posted. If you played a reasonable starting hand, you are very rarely in a spot where you need to guess whether your re-draw is good or not.
I understand that it's a social game and you are clearly not "doing your best" but if you limp along with KQT72 your VPIP is what, 80? There is a common misconception that when others play loose, you should loosen up considerably too. Just play around 30% of hands and mostly raise when you enter the pot. Everything will be so much easier.
Nice angle shoot by v1, reading you for pondering with mediocre hearts and a crap low.
Well villain did have a better low draw, and that adds a lot of equity to his hand. The two of you have roughly equal equity heads-up and villain is typically the equity favorite if you get it all-in 3way.His re-raise could have been a misplay, especially since he missed seeing you hadn't acted but your fold is still probably correct. Don't have all the info which would let me
It was no misplay, it was an angle shoot. I think in a loosey goose home game it might be a non-pondering call with a 2 & two heart blockers and one scoop card, but we do indeed lack info to guess if V1 has a monster two way draw. He probably bet the 40 knowing he’d get a call from the fish and a jam from the maniac to threaten hero with a reraise.
You know what, thinking about it, in a regular social home game—and presuming I’d have a nit image compared to hero but somehow arrived in this spot—I’d pot it myself and shout “I need one card, baby!”, and then after the hand go on and on about missing my SF draw. Give a little action, it’s good for the game, and in this case it would’ve worked out for 2/3 too. Plus the Q3hh (and possibly AK2) were also scoop cards, AND it seems they were both live! 🤠
Interesting.
