1/2 Big O. Flop Decision Spot
Pretty sure I should've never gotten to flop.
Hero starts hand, $360 effective, with 22664 dbl suited with spades.
Hero in UTG+1 and opens to $5.
Player to immediate left, villain, raises to $20.
SB, UTG, and hero call.
Flop: 4s5s9c
SB leads for $50, utg folds, Hero calls, and villain bets pot.
SB folds
Hero?
Spoiler
Hero tanks, requests villain to "show their worst card", villain laughs softly. Hero says villain has As3s or A367x. Hero announces all in.
Turn: 5x
River Ks
Villain announces nut flush with AAQJB.
Spoiler
SB later discusses hand and says they folded A23, I didn't tell them I didn't believe it, but I definitely don't believe it.
8 Replies
Wow that's a ****ing trainwreck.
Don't open, not sure if it's a winning open from BTN even. It's a very weak hand especially multiway.
Fold flop twice and it's not very close. You have poor equity against reasonable hands.
Based on the pre-flop action SB should have plenty of A23. Of course the worst way to play it on the flop is exactly how he played it. Somehow I believe him.
Fold every decision point. Why are you opening trash utg? Probably want A2 A3 AA mostly with some rare broadways mixed in.
Amok why is villain’s play so bad?
Amok said SB played it bad.
I don't think villain's play was great, either.
Hero was "blocking" A2, lol. Hero is also optimistically hoping to see an ace high flop
Hero had been watching the action off/on while waiting for a seat. 4 or more players were getting to the flop after several limps H was trying to thin the field a bit, as this is Texas and nobody folds pre.
And hero shouldn't think they're running bad because they bricked a low when villain didn't even have a playable low. They should not play this bad and fold flop.
It's possible the player to my right opened to $5, and I flatted in UTG+1. (Still not great)
Context, player to my right is a WSOP runner-up in either a 3K or 10K PLO8. Cool guy as far as I've observed, but he was torching money, and also admitted to torching money. I decided, in this spot, to jump into the dark waters and roll the dice.
I think leading a pretty decent equity hand on the flop is very bad if intending to fold to a raise. I don't really see a need for a leading range on this flop even and if I did, SBs hand should mostly be strong enough to stack off.
I also think UTG+2 played it bad. Probably flat pre, certainly flat flop IP with that action even against creative players.
I think leading a pretty decent equity hand on the flop is very bad if intending to fold to a raise. I don't really see a need for a leading range on this flop even and if I did, SBs hand should mostly be strong enough to stack off.
Misread the spoiler, I thought sb had the AAss. Bet folding A23 is silly.
For Hero I would recommend tightening up considerably pre. That's the street where you have a huge advantage with simple means. Back to the basics. You are supposed to open very close to 0% aceless hands early. Don't call raises with those hands either, unless in BB. When you have a good hand like A2 ds or with decent side cards, bloat the pot. It seriously is that simple and you are trying to make it something else.
Pretty sure I should've never gotten to flop. Yep.
