"Play it Safe" on ACR

It does screw the other players when somebody wins a huge pot and clicked "Play it Safe", as that money leaves the table instead of remaining in play as it normally would. Sure, it was always a risk that player would rat hole the pot, but now it's guaranteed. Play-it-safers get the poop gun, repeatedly.

This seems like an appropriate thread for something I have been wonder. Is the Run it Twice feature offered by various sites basically 0EV?

I understand that it reduces variance but I have not got it switched on because I wasn't sure if there was an additional charge for it

Some posters above say ACR takes 1% of your share of the pot when you "play it safe". Pretty sure this is a feature the rooms introduced to make more $, I would be surprised if the option is free: "you are risk averse and you want to buy reduced variance? look no further, we have what you need, an the price is good"

I haven't seen any evidence of additional rake to Run it Twice. Another difference from Play it Safe is that it's only enabled by mutual agreement.

Run it twice doesn't affect rake. You should have it turned on as default because why not; it's free and reduces anxiety.

Run it three or four times though and they start getting twitchy

it may affect reduce rake but it absolutely cost you money.

Run it twice and play it safe are not the same, but absent any additional fees collected, neither has any effect on your long term winnings. Bothe are EV neutral. Both reduce variance. In fact PIS is mathematically equivalent to running it 44 times for a heads up holdem spot on the turn.

ItÂ’s been done to death on here - RIT has the same EV as running it out normally. This is mathematically proven. ItÂ’s pretty simple for HU NLHE all in on the turn. If the pot size is P and you have x outs, your expected share from the pot is simply your win probability multiplied by the pot size or P(x/44).

Running it twice does not change this. You either lose the whole pot, win half, or win it all. Since our pot share is zero in the first case we can ignore that case. We win the whole pot when we hit our outs on both run outs. This happens with probability x/44 * (x-1)/43 or (x^2-x)/1892. We win half when we hit an out on the first river and not the second or if we miss the first and hit the second. The first of these has probability x/44 * (43-(x-1)/43 which simplifies to (44x-x^2)/1892. The second case has probability (44-x)/44 * x/43, which also simplifies to (44x-x^2)/1892. Thus our chop probability is twice this value. However we win half the pot so this case contributes P * (44x-x^2)/1892 to our expected winnings. Adding
P*(x^2-x)/1892 (our expected share from scooping) gives a total share of P * 43x/1892, which is exactly equal to our expected winning when running normally - P * x/44.

Sorry didn't notice you were talking about running it twice

Scenario

-just moved up limit
-you had just tripled up and didnt sit out
-you went all in for +300 effective stacks with +55%

1) youd rather move in with more EV in this situation?
2) Play it safe lets you be more aggresive without securing a good ev pot?

Yes yes I know >50% you should move in but still... Thoughts?

(Id rather running it twice)

I'm confused as to how playing it safe let's you play more aggressively