3BP ; turn donkbet
Hi guys! I'm struggling with turn donking in 3-bet pots. I know it's more frequent than in single-raised pots. Trying to figure out why.
[converted_hand][hand_history]PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3
BB: $38.93 (155.7 bb)
Hero (UTG): $25.66 (102.6 bb)
MP: $47.47 (189.9 bb)
CO: $25.36 (101.4 bb)
BTN: $25.00 (100 bb)
SB: $25.00 (100 bb)
SB posts $0.10, BB posts $0.25
Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has J♣ J♥
Hero raises to $0.50, MP raises to $1.75, 4 folds, Hero calls $1.25
Flop: ($3.85, 2 players) 5♠ K♥ K♠
Hero checks, MP bets $1.07, Hero calls $1.07
Turn: ($5.99, 2 players) K♣
Hero bets $1.47
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My solution doesn't like it, and looking back I don't either. JJ's equity seems quite stable. The goal was mainly to prevent AQ (and other A-high) to realize their equity for free by checking back, and also to get some value from TT-55 ; but now I think I'm not denying much equity to A-high by betting with JJ (maybe it's different for, say, 77?) and I probably get more value from TT-66 by betting ~pot on the river than from leading small on the turn. As played I think I only folded out villain's air.
I had a quick look and the properties the solver seem to like when it comes to donkbets are when the turn brings either (or a mix of) : 1) 4-straight ; 2) 2 pairs on board (ex. J99J) ; a third 'middle rank' card (T-6) ; 3-flush. I would say in this order (4-straight > 2 pairs on board > third middle rank > 3-flush). Do you think it's accurate? If not, what kind of turns allow donkbets?
Thank you!
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Sometimes 4b pre... not donking the turn.
if you are going to donk the turn you would want more Kx and other very strong hands in your range . You don't, so don't donk! You are just asking to lose more than necessary when beat and you are not denying that much equity
Would mostly 4b @ 25nl. AP remember we're still up against an uncapped range so a thinking player could read this donk and raise you to oblivion knowing you can't have enough value to call.
I had a quick look and the properties the solver seem to like when it comes to donkbets are when the turn brings either (or a mix of) : 1) 4-straight ; 2) 2 pairs on board (ex. J99J) ; a third 'middle rank' card (T-6) ; 3-flush. I would say in this order (4-straight > 2 pairs on board > third middle rank > 3-flush). Do you think it's accurate? If not, what kind of turns allow donkbets?
You can donk when the board is favorable for your range and bad for the opponent's, and on turns/rivers that are going to get checked back at a high frequency.
Would mostly 4b @ 25nl. AP remember we're still up against an uncapped range so a thinking player could read this donk and raise you to oblivion knowing you can't have enough value to call.
Fair points!
You can donk when the board is favorable for your range and bad for the opponent's, and on turns/rivers that are going to get checked back at a high frequency.
Thank you! For single-raised pots I know (I think) that the best turns are usually 3-flush or board pairing (especially top card) or undercard. I'm not sure for 3-bet pots though 
I know that high cards are better for the 3-bettor than low ones, and that the c-bettor typically retains more equity on the turn than in SRPs (which I assume is mainly because top pair has more value in 3BPs than in SRPs); but as far as the runouts (I mean turns or rivers) are concerned, I haven't been able to notice much pattern for now. Any idea?
