[25NL Ignition] Evaluating Several River Spots
I would love your help on a series of river spots, all Ignition 25NL. Let me know what you think!
Ignition - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
BB: 68.36 BB (VPIP: 32.35, PFR: 17.65, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 34)
UTG: 41.96 BB (VPIP: 48.94, PFR: 23.40, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 48)
Hero (CO): 104.48 BB
BTN: 235.24 BB (VPIP: 37.74, PFR: 7.55, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 53)
SB: 134.16 BB (VPIP: 51.72, PFR: 6.90, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 30)
SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has J♠ J♦
fold, Hero raises to 2.52 BB, fold, SB calls 2.12 BB, BB calls 1.52 BB
Flop: (7.56 BB, 3 players) 8♥ 3♠ K♦
SB checks, BB bets 2 BB, Hero calls 2 BB, fold
Turn: (11.56 BB, 2 players) 9♦
BB bets 3 BB, Hero calls 3 BB
River: (17.56 BB, 2 players) Q♥
BB bets 8 BB, Hero
Results & Thoughts:
Spoiler
Hero calls 8 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) BB has Q♦ K♠
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) UTG has T♣ 4♠
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) BTN has 9♥ 2♥
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) SB has 4♣ Q♠
BB shows Q♦ K♠ (Two Pair, Kings and Queens)
(Pre 42%, Flop 90%, Turn 95%)
Hero mucks J♠ J♦ (One Pair, Jacks)
(Pre 58%, Flop 10%, Turn 5%)
BB wins 31.92 BB
Upon review, feels like a pretty obvious river fold. I think flop is fine, turn call is OK, river call feels bad to me. BTN had a pretty high VPIP but also just he's firing into me 3 streets in a row, feels like JJ is no good on this river.
Ignition - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
Hero (BB): 102.68 BB
UTG: 52.2 BB (VPIP: 34.38, PFR: 6.25, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 32)
MP: 131.88 BB (VPIP: 41.94, PFR: 22.58, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 32)
CO: 409 BB (VPIP: 40.74, PFR: 14.81, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 27)
BTN: 37.08 BB (VPIP: 32.35, PFR: 8.82, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 34)
SB: 142.16 BB (VPIP: 44.44, PFR: 5.56, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 19)
SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 8♣ A♠
fold, fold, fold, BTN calls 1 BB, fold, Hero checks
Flop: (2.4 BB, 2 players) 6♣ 7♦ 6♥
Hero checks, BTN checks
Turn: (2.4 BB, 2 players) A♦
Hero checks, BTN bets 2.28 BB, Hero calls 2.28 BB
River: (6.96 BB, 2 players) 8♠
Hero checks, BTN bets 33.8 BB and is all-in, Hero
Results & Thoughts
Spoiler
Hero fold
BTN wins 6.64 BB
Not a huge spot but just - these river jams at these stakes with this player pool really feel hugely value oriented, wanted to make sure I'm not being results oriented or a huge nit folding this spot with 2 pair.
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) UTG has 5♥ 3♦
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) MP has 4♦ 7♣
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) CO has 3♣ 4♠
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) BTN has 5♠ 6♦
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) SB has 7♠ 2♠
Ignition - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
UTG: 109.84 BB (VPIP: 35.29, PFR: 16.18, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 68)
MP: 101.24 BB (VPIP: 45.98, PFR: 16.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 87)
CO: 194.32 BB (VPIP: 38.71, PFR: 16.13, 3Bet Preflop: 6.98, Hands: 94)
BTN: 99.6 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
SB: 129.64 BB (VPIP: 41.77, PFR: 12.66, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 80)
Hero (BB): 99.76 BB
SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Q♦ 5♦
fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 2.4 BB, fold, Hero calls 1.4 BB
Flop: (5.2 BB, 2 players) Q♥ 3♣ 7♠
Hero checks, BTN checks
Turn: (5.2 BB, 2 players) J♣
Hero checks, BTN bets 3.72 BB, Hero calls 3.72 BB
River: (12.64 BB, 2 players) T♦
Hero checks, BTN bets 16.04 BB, Hero
Results & Thoughts
Spoiler
Hero folds
BTN wins 12.04 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) UTG has 4♦ 6♣
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) MP has Q♠ 6♥
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) CO has J♠ 8♦
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) BTN has 4♠ A♥
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) SB has 9♥ 6♦
Got bluffed here, similar spot to the other one, feels like Villain in a spot like this is weighted really heavily towards value / under bluffing here a lot and so I laid it down. Am I being too nitty?
Ignition - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
BTN: 87.44 BB (VPIP: 38.49, PFR: 13.49, 3Bet Preflop: 4.42, Hands: 253)
SB: 79.88 BB (VPIP: 29.17, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 24)
BB: 63.32 BB (VPIP: 37.50, PFR: 15.63, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 65)
Hero (UTG): 180.52 BB
CO: 90.8 BB (VPIP: 20.37, PFR: 13.89, 3Bet Preflop: 2.00, Hands: 108)
SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has J♥ K♣
Hero raises to 2.52 BB, fold, BTN calls 2.52 BB, SB raises to 7.04 BB, fold, Hero calls 4.52 BB, BTN calls 4.52 BB
Flop: (22.12 BB, 3 players) 6♦ K♠ 2♦
SB bets 9 BB, Hero calls 9 BB, fold
Turn: (40.12 BB, 2 players) 8♥
SB checks, Hero checks
River: (40.12 BB, 2 players) A♦
SB bets 24 BB, Hero
Results & Thoughts
Spoiler
Hero folds
SB wins 38.12 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) CO has 3♦ 8♣
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) BTN has 8♦ J♠
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) SB has A♣ J♣
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) BB has T♣ 5♣
Calling the 3 bet feels kinda dumb IMO with KJo, especially with a player behind. His bet sizing was a hair small, but I feel like fold pre is the move here. In hindsight, I think we probably fold here. As played, River fold feels right to me as I think he has an A a decent bit here given he 3 bet pre. One other consideration, should I bet turn here? My take: too loose pre, maybe missed a turn bet, probably right fold on river.
Ignition - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 34.78, PFR: 10.14, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 139)
BTN: 127.16 BB (VPIP: 42.36, PFR: 20.83, 3Bet Preflop: 6.45, Hands: 144)
SB: 101.96 BB (VPIP: 35.48, PFR: 16.13, 3Bet Preflop: 5.80, Hands: 156)
BB: 101 BB (VPIP: 56.25, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 4.35, Hands: 48)
UTG: 156.52 BB (VPIP: 39.39, PFR: 14.39, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 133)
Hero (MP): 98.48 BB
SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 4♦ 4♠
UTG calls 1 BB, Hero raises to 3.52 BB, CO raises to 10.52 BB, BTN calls 10.52 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 7 BB
Flop: (33.96 BB, 3 players) 4♥ A♠ T♥
Hero checks, CO bets 10.32 BB, BTN calls 10.32 BB, Hero calls 10.32 BB
Turn: (64.92 BB, 3 players) 9♣
Hero checks, CO checks, BTN checks
River: (64.92 BB, 3 players) 6♥
Hero checks, CO checks, BTN bets 106.32 BB and is all-in, Hero
Results & Thoughts
Spoiler
fold, fold
BTN wins 61.68 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) CO has T♣ A♣
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) BTN has A♥ J♠
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) SB has T♠ 7♣
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) BB has 4♣ K♥
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) UTG has K♠ 7♠
Coming back to the theme here... I feel like this is so weighted to value in this player pool - just overjamming when a flush hits feels so much like a flush, especially into 2 players. Kinda makes me want to throw up that dude had AJs of clubs. Am I a nit for throwing this away? Trying not to be results oriented, but this one hurt once I saw his holdings. Also, is there a consideration for raising flop bet with 2 flush cards on the board and trying to get it all in? I figured with this much action behind, I could check/call or check raise turn and see what happens, turn check check sucked and then river jam... I dunno... open to hear how to play this spot better across the board.
Ignition - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
BTN: 81.16 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 11.54, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 26)
SB: 174.96 BB (VPIP: 15.71, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 70)
Hero (BB): 120.72 BB
UTG: 101.44 BB (VPIP: 63.83, PFR: 6.38, 3Bet Preflop: 4.00, Hands: 47)
MP: 502.68 BB (VPIP: 63.64, PFR: 7.58, 3Bet Preflop: 8.82, Hands: 66)
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 24.14, PFR: 13.79, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 29)
SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K♠ Q♣
fold, MP raises to 3.4 BB, fold, BTN calls 3.4 BB, fold, Hero calls 2.4 BB
Flop: (10.6 BB, 3 players) 9♠ J♥ K♣
Hero checks, MP bets 10.08 BB, fold, Hero calls 10.08 BB
Turn: (30.76 BB, 2 players) A♣
Hero checks, MP bets 29.24 BB, Hero calls 29.24 BB
River: (89.24 BB, 2 players) 5♣
Hero checks, MP bets 84.8 BB, Hero ?
Results & Thoughts
Spoiler
Hero calls 78 BB and is all-in
MP shows 7♣ 9♣ (Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 38%, Flop 22%, Turn 28%)
Hero mucks K♠ Q♣ (One Pair, Kings)
(Pre 62%, Flop 78%, Turn 72%)
MP wins 237.24 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) BTN has 3♣ 3♥
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) SB has 8♠ 3♦
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) UTG has 2♦ 4♥
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) MP has 7♣ 9♣
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) CO has J♣ 2♣
OK.. this one also... That river call was probably horrific. This dude was WILD though - as you can see like 64% VPIP, did was firing bullets left and right, going 3 streets on wild bluffs, etc. Maybe I can get away from this, but it felt like a chance to hold my ground and stack him (at the time). In hindsight, should I just be folding here river here and living to fight another day, or is it too nitty vs a 64% VPIP maniac? I dunno.. this one hurt a lot. Tell me what you think of this spot.
6 Replies
I really like your formatting, maybe you could number the hands because there's so many? I'm a bit rusty on NL but lets try.
1. Yeah, fold river. The opponent lacks natural bluffing hands. There are no draws on the flop and the opponent leads into 2 players. A8,87,A3 as a bluff?
2. Easy fold, highly underbluffed with these sizings and overbluffed with smaller ones.
3. I would be inclined to call this. You're very high in your range and showed weakness twice. Better hands that you could have here are like JT and that's it.
4. I'm not opening KJo MP. That 3-bet is way too small to fold though. Turn is probably a mix and river is a sigh fold.
5. OOP 3-ways I'm raising this small on the flop.
6. Squeeze pre. You want to hit TPGK and play for stacks against this kind of villain, not 3-ways OOP in a bloated pot without initiative. With bigger sizing pre and 3-way squeeze 120 bb feels more like 80 bb poker.
I was thinking all-in hand #1 might be interesting. Was a bit surprised to see KQo use this sizing scheme, even from a fish.
I really like your formatting, maybe you could number the hands because there's so many? I'm a bit rusty on NL but lets try.
1. Yeah, fold river. The opponent lacks natural bluffing hands. There are no draws on the flop and the opponent leads into 2 players. A8,87,A3 as a bluff?
2. Easy fold, highly underbluffed with these sizings and overbluffed with smaller ones.
3. I would be inclined to call this. You're very high in your range and showed weakness twice. Better hands that you could have here ar
Thanks for the feedback!
Curious - on Hand 5 - do you call the river as played or no?
Also - on Hand 6 - makes total sense on squeezing, dude was a maniac so I wanted to let him bet into me in that case. As played, are you calling that river?
I tactically left answering those questions, damnit. 😃
The answer for both: I really don't know after 10 minutes of thinking. I'm not confident to say either way.
I suppose that makes me feel better.. I'm really just trying to figure out if I am way off base in some of these spots or if they are close. Thank you again for the insights!
