Always run it twice with pocket pairs on GG poker?

This has been done to death on here. Run it twice if you want to. Run it once if you want to. Neither will have any effect on your EV. Long term it makes no difference to your win rate.

If you have AA vs KK in a 100bb all in PF spot your EV is 65.27BB (IÂ’m using KK with the same suits as the AA here - gives 82.06% equity for AA vs 17.09% for KK, with 0.54% ties) If you RIT you will get the same EV. If we assume the same equities for both runs, this is only approximately true. But this is because the cards dealt on run one change the equity for run two. This is most obvious in the case that run 1 has a king. Dealing a king in run 1 drops the KK playerÂ’s equity to 8.73%. This drops his scoop chances down to about 1.5%, considerably less than the almost 3% you get by assuming equal equities on both runs.

Additionally, it looks like you were pretty much just ignoring the possibility of KK winning both runouts. This is unlikely, but certainly not impossible (about 1.5% probability as I mentioned above). If you are ignoring this and calling it “essentially zero” you will get a positive EV gain for RIT, but this is incorrect.

Thanks for you reply!
I know is exactly same EV on every other poker sites.
But my point is GG care
You will gain some EV if you very unlucky losing twice AA vs KK
And it's only apply to pocket pairs(AK vs QQ you won't get anything)

Am I right?

Ok. I don’t play in GG. I am not sure what GG care is or what it does. Can you explain?

It's basically give you some cashback when backbeats/suckouts happen. (preflop and postflop)
GG didn't provide exactly how their algorithm works.
But I am sure if you lose twice allin preflop overpairs VS underpairs pre flop, you will get some cashback(On my very rough calculation, I will get back 5% of 100bb, and It's not cashout, you have to pay 1% fees.).
I think it's seems obvious is a benefits for us, but still not many people like RIT

I googled it. Basically you get entry into a “tournament” when you lose a bad beat, whether after running it twice or not. The “tournament” is essentially equivalent to a raffle. It happens automatically without you even needing to be online. All players go all in every hand. Stack size is determined by the number and severity of your bad beats.

Essentially what it does is reduce the EV of your losses if you get sucked out on. Mathematically, this likely is equivalent to a situation where you win 100BB when your hand holds and lose 100-X when you are beat. Suppose X=5. Then you lose 95 when you lose instead of 100. To make the math easier letÂ’s say you have a brick flop and brick turn, and you get all in with AA vs villain with KK. No straights or flushes possible, so villain has exactly 2 outs on river. Your EV (whether RIO or RIT) without promo is 90.9BB
(100x42/44 - 100 x 2/44).

LetÂ’s calculate both RIT and RIO with the assumption that you lose 95bb when you lose:

RIO - 100*42/44 - 95*2/44 = 91.14BB
RIT — 100*(42/44)*(41/43) - 95*(2/44)*(1/43) = 90.91BB

RIO is better in this scenario. Suppose though that we double the expected value of our “loss offset” when we lose twice after RIT. That is instead of getting 5BB we get 10BB and only lose 90 when villain sucks out. What is our EV now?

EV = 100*(42/44)*(41/43) - 90*(2/44)*(1/43) = 90.92 BB

This is still lower than the EV for running normally. IÂ’m not sure if these numbers are anywhere near accurate, but I suspect that GG isnÂ’t giving away too much EV to players via this promo. Plus the cash out is not automatic, so you donÂ’t automatically get the cash back. You have to win the lottery to get it. I suspect that the numbers arenÂ’t too much higher than this 5% or so. It would seem that the math gives the opposite conclusion - you are encouraged by this promo to run it once.

BTW this promo seems counterproductive to me (although I’m sure GG knows what it is doing). Good players lose bad beats more often than bad players do. This promo favors players who lose bad beats. Therefore it favors good players over bad ones. Promos generally should do the opposite. Promos are meant to keep more players in the pool. Good players don’t need help to not go broke and quit playing. Bad players need promos to make them lose more slowly and therefore keep them playing longer.

Yes, what you describe about GG care is right, " The tournament is essentially equivalent to a raffle. It happens automatically without you even needing to be online. "
But I am sure if you allin preflop overpairs VS underpairs, overpairs RIO and lose won't get GG care, only RIT get.

I’ll defer to you but the FAQs on GGs website don’t mention that it has to be a RIT situation to gain chips for the “tournament”. Just that it has to be a bad beat. It doesn’t really specify exactly what situations qualify.

If it actually is only for RIT then obviously it is a small increase b EV, with no increase in EV for RIO. If that is true then RIT would necessarily have higher EV than RIO.

Yes, GG didn't provide exactly how their algorithm works.
I play millions of hands in GG poker, I am 100% sure this

preflopgo allin
overpairs VS underpairs, overpairs RIO and lose won't get GG care, only RIT get.