50NL Stars - 4 Bet Pot OOP with AKo & Whiffed Flop
PokerStars - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
BTN: 100.22 BB (VPIP: 19.12, PFR: 11.76, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 70)
SB: 106.6 BB (VPIP: 27.63, PFR: 23.68, 3Bet Preflop: 10.34, Hands: 78)
BB: 100 BB
UTG: 24.64 BB (VPIP: 46.88, PFR: 3.13, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 32)
Hero (MP): 116.38 BB
CO: 77.68 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K♥ A♣
fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, CO raises to 7 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 18.5 BB, CO calls 11.5 BB
Flop: (38.5 BB, 2 players) Q♠ 7♥ 2♠
Hero bets 14.08 BB, CO calls 14.08 BB
Turn: (66.66 BB, 2 players) 4♥
Hero checks, CO checks
River: (66.66 BB, 2 players) Q♣
Hero checks, CO bets 45.1 BB and is all-in, Hero ????
Thoughts & Results
Spoiler
Hero calls 45.1 BB
CO shows Q♦ J♦ (Three of a Kind, Queens)
(Pre 40%, Flop 77%, Turn 86%)
Hero shows K♥ A♣ (One Pair, Queens)
(Pre 60%, Flop 23%, Turn 14%)
CO wins 151.86 BB
So I timebanked hard on this one. Not sure it was the right call at all. Villain was relatively unknown (sat down 8 hands before). Ripped in the call on the thought process - we obviously don't block a queen directly but we do block some Qx hands AQ, KQ, (AA and KK but they almost certainly jam PF here, so probably not in his range), we unblock any spade draws (not entirely relevant, but it's something... I'm prob grasping at straws here). We unblock JTs which maybe does this? (prob bluffs turn tho?)
Basically what checks turn and jams.. I guess a queen in hindsight lol... but also we are getting 3:1 on this call.. do we think he has 33% bluffs here? We also block a lot of his bluffs (AK, KJ, AJ) which sucks. I don't think TT or JJ jam here... so its really polar it's a Q or a Bluff IMO. After thinking, I felt like there's enough AK/KJ/AJ that might do this on a whiff trying to steal the pot from KK/TT/JJ which maybe plays the way I played this hand. Could be totally delusional thinking tho.
I'm also open to feedback on (1) did I size PF too small? (2) should I even bother cbetting flop here? (3) should I bet turn here or check?
Welcome feedback across the board.
9 Replies
guess folding wont be wrong. maybe bigger 4bet size and smaller cbet size？
Yeah should have 3bet more for sure. Maybe 1/4 pot on flop instead of 1/3?
How is my thought process on the river? Any big leaks in my thinking?
I think you're overcomplicating it a bit. Fish could easily be merged here with a range rich in PPs that might be perceived as the 'lol maybe nuts'.
So we're basically ****ed when they call the cbet. Anything after that we should be trying to minimise EV loss and I'd only call vs a known aggro
the range is too strong after b50 flop, don’t even think normal fish is gonna float PPs.
Smaller otf
River seems close. Problem is he might fold hands that should bluff already otf(because of your bigger size).
1/3 pot too big? Should I be sizing 1/4?
Yes.
Pre could be 1-2 BB bigger 4-bet, nothing major.
As played I don't hate the river call, it's very close. Also the logic seems fine. Have you tried using pokerstove and maths to solve these yourself? I guess the bigger flop means that the opponent won't float that much so fold? Obviously because it's close you're going to lose the hand most of the times.
Q high flops are very good for the 4 bettor. You will have AQo and QQ that villain won't have. So 1/4 with range is a fine strategy. I would find the turn barrel 1/4 again, you can basically range 1/3 on this turn tbh. Puts a lot of pressure on 88-JJ portion of range from villain. Also you get called by flush draws which you are ahead against.
Spot is underbluffed imo. Especially for that sizing. I'd fold.
