[LOW] Are we calling down 3 streets?
[converted_hand][hand_history]Winamax - €0.50 NL (5 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3
BTN: €54.05 (108.1 bb)
SB: €56.74 (113.5 bb)
Hero (BB): €61.32 (122.6 bb)
UTG: €7.89 (15.8 bb)
CO: €31.40 (62.8 bb)
SB posts €0.25, Hero posts BB €0.50
Pre Flop: (pot: €0.75) Hero has K♥ 2♥
2 folds, BTN raises to €1.25, fold, Hero calls €0.75
Flop: (€2.75, 2 players) 7♥ 4♠ K♠
Hero checks, BTN bets €2.06, Hero calls €2.06
Turn: (€6.87, 2 players) Q♣
Hero checks, BTN bets €9.50, Hero calls €9.50
River: (€25.87, 2 players) 8♣
Hero checks, BTN bets €41.24 and is all-in, Hero ?
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Villain is unknown. What does the MDA says? Without looking at it it seems that regs are overbetting turn more than theory. What about the river?
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I'm not calling the river against some random person.
I'm folding turn 😃
Folding turn
Definitely folding. As others have said fold the turn... without any reads you're in a bad spot.
aye turn fold
I'm probably calling down honestly, but the river is close. K74 board and he bets that much on the flop? That board is going to miss a ton of your range. The question in these spots is, what does he think you're calling down with on the turn? You can call anything on that flop, and you obviously won't have a strong K, so why the over bet coupled w/ the large flop bet? Usually at these stakes that means they want folds, not calls. Think the MDA backs that up.
I'm a station, and not in love w/ stacking off w/ a bluff catcher vs an known, but I don't think it's a horrible call down if you did.
I'm probably calling down honestly, but the river is close. K74 board and he bets that much on the flop? That board is going to miss a ton of your range. The question in these spots is, what does he think you're calling down with on the turn? You can call anything on that flop, and you obviously won't have a strong K, so why the over bet coupled w/ the large flop bet? Usually at these stakes that means they want folds, not calls. Think the MDA backs that up.
I'm a station, and not in love w/ sta
When I think too much like why would he do this why would he do that it doesn't make sense and I click call nearly they always they have it in these spots in my experience. So I stop trying to apply logic to fishes action for the most part. If he's crazy enough to bluff like this that should become apparent very soon and then I turn into a station. But first time lower variance and safer just to assume they have it, because normally they do ime.
I think it's very close. Advocating for pure fold OTT seems weak when the line is likely overbluffed and our combo almost pure calls in theory. River is difficult. We've Got like the premium bluffcatcher so I'm kinda tempted to call it off but the big bet flop is slightly suspect and perhaps less reggy.
I think vs small bet flop I'd pure call but here I'm leaning towards 75% fold
+1 to calling.
If he is a fish it’s even more of call.
Very tempting to bluff from villain's perspective, I was thinking this is surely a rather frequent call in gto. Even if I know I won't have the b...s to call river I would never ever fold turn, this is too incorrect.
Very tempting to bluff from villain's perspective, I was thinking this is surely a rather frequent call in gto. Even if I know I won't have the b...s to call river I would never ever fold turn, this is too incorrect.
I think folding the turn is fine... Not beating a lot to two barrels here.
We have a bluffcatcher like. No **** we don't beat value. Turn is mandatory call imo
I think it's very close. Advocating for pure fold OTT seems weak when the line is likely overbluffed and our combo almost pure calls in theory. River is difficult. We've Got like the premium bluffcatcher so I'm kinda tempted to call it off but the big bet flop is slightly suspect and perhaps less reggy.
I think vs small bet flop I'd pure call but here I'm leaning towards 75% fold
Yeah I think river is a fold as well. Especially versus a new player who's unknown... doesn't seem like they'd be bluffing very often unless they just happen to be some maniac whale.
When I think too much like why would he do this why would he do that it doesn't make sense and I click call nearly they always they have it in these spots in my experience. So I stop trying to apply logic to fishes action for the most part. If he's crazy enough to bluff like this that should become apparent very soon and then I turn into a station. But first time lower variance and safer just to assume they have it, because normally they do ime.
Don't make thinking too much the enemy, because there's not a ton you have to consider here. 😀 He's an unknown, over betting two streets on a board that obviously BB won't have anything strong on. I don't think the EV is massive between fold/call here, but it's in no way an auto fold, especially not on the turn.