Queens vs multiway min3bet
PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $0.02/$0.05 - 9 players
Hand delivered by CardsChat
UTG: $5.00 (100 bb)
UTG+1: $6.56 (131 bb)
MP: $5.31 (106 bb)
MP+1: $6.82 (136 bb)
LP: $8.76 (175 bb)
CO: $5.14 (103 bb)
BU: $10.42 (208 bb)
SB: $5.00 (100 bb)
BB (Hero): $5.03 (101 bb)
Pre-Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BB with Q♦ Q♣
UTG raises to $0.15, 3 players fold, LP 3-bets to $0.25, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.25, SB calls $0.23, Hero 4-bets to $0.80, UTG 5-bets to $1.80, 1 fold, BTN calls $1.55, 1 fold, Hero calls $1
Flop: ($5.90) 4♦ J♣ 3♠ (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $1.85, BTN calls $1.85, Hero...
UTG has 12 PFR, 0 3Bet
So the idea here is that Villain has AA,KK and some AK. So we call and check fold the flop.
Does that make sense or hand to the heart is someone folding queens preflop here?
3 Replies
There are ~ 18BB in the pot when you make your first decision preflop, I would just go all-in right now. If somebody wakes up with KK+, oh well, crack it or reload. A 4bet to 16BB makes little sense, nobody will fold with those odds and you are just inflating the pot.
2nd time around I would fold or go all-in, again seeing a flop makes no sense. Versus a nitty opponent who tells you their hand (AA) with their small 5bet, you can safely fold.
I think this is a spot where we can just jam over everyone pre. They will call AK but i dont' think they 5b AK very often, and with so many callers/dead $ we have to raise big and essentially pot commit anyway.
AP it's bye bye money which is why i prefer ^^^
I think the flop fold was pretty standard, but easy for recs to miss if they are kind of distracted or blinded by pocket pair greed.
The main point of the post was to see if someone folds preflop. I personally made a crying call planning to xf, but if the raise had been higher it would have shifted me towards folding.
I wasn't paying much attention to the players behind, I was just focusing on last aggressor, but it turns out we had a caller behind both pre and postflop, which errs this much more towards a fold (I would have folded even if we were HU on the flop).
5bettor flips Aces, player behind flips KK.
I think commenters are underestimating how much third party aggression tightens ranges. A 5Bet against one player is one thing, but a 5bet from a 5th different player is massively tighter!
DUCY?
