Quick sanity check to make sure I'm not tilting/spewing?

Quick sanity check to make sure I'm not tilting/spewing?

Hey everyone, just had a pretty insane -13 BI session which I wouldn't have thought would really be possible for a decent player playing well at microstakes because the edge should (theoretically) be so big. I felt frustrated at times but I think I was still playing fine, but it's really hard to judge these things objectively and I want to be really careful to only play when I'm playing my a-game.

So would be massively appreciated if someone could take a quick scan over the hands and see if there's any glaring mistakes or if it's just fairly standard runbad? Sorry if this belongs in BBV but the purpose of this thread is genuinely just for a quick sanity check and not just to vent, even if it might look like that. Purposefully didn't include the hands where it was obvious I played fine and just got unlucky (AKo < AKs all in pre, AA < KK all in pre etc)

PokerStars Zoom, Hold'em No Limit - $0.05/$0.10 - 6 players
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UTG: $11.71 (117 bb)
MP (Hero): $12.21 (122 bb)
CO: $28.89 (289 bb)
BU: $10.21 (102 bb)
SB: $18.18 (182 bb)
BB: $18.77 (188 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.15) Hero is MP with A A
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.25, 3 players fold, BB calls $0.15

Flop: ($0.55) 2 2 2 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.75, BB calls $0.75

Turn: ($2.05) A (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($2.05) T (2 players)
BB bets $2.61, Hero raises to $11.21 (all-in), BB calls $8.60

Total pot: $24.47 (Rake: $1.10)

Showdown:
MP (Hero) shows A A (a full house, Aces full of Twos)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 93%, Flop: 0%, Turn: 0%, River: 0%)

BB shows 2 A (four of a kind, Twos)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 7%, Flop: 100%, Turn: 100%, River: 100%)

BB wins $23.37

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PokerStars Zoom, Hold'em No Limit - $0.05/$0.10 - 6 players
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UTG (Hero): $10.67 (107 bb)
MP: $10.90 (109 bb)
CO: $10.73 (107 bb)
BU: $14.83 (148 bb)
SB: $10.49 (105 bb)
BB: $10.00 (100 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.15) Hero is UTG with K A
Hero raises to $0.25, 3 players fold, SB 3-bets to $1, 1 fold, Hero 4-bets to $2.45, SB 5-bets to $10.49 (all-in), Hero calls $8.04

Flop: ($21.08) 4 6 6 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: ($21.08) 2 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($21.08) 3 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $21.08 (Rake: $0.95)

Showdown:
SB shows K K (two pair, Kings and Sixes)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 70%, Flop: 88%, Turn: 93%, River: 100%)

UTG (Hero) shows K A (a pair of Sixes)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 30%, Flop: 12%, Turn: 7%, River: 0%)

SB wins $20.13

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PokerStars Zoom, Hold'em No Limit - $0.05/$0.10 - 6 players
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UTG: $10.10 (101 bb)
MP (Hero): $10.00 (100 bb)
CO: $10.86 (109 bb)
BU: $10.07 (101 bb)
SB: $10.18 (102 bb)
BB: $10.89 (109 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.15) Hero is MP with 5 5
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.25, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.25, 2 players fold

Flop: ($0.65) 8 5 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.62, Hero raises to $1.90, BTN raises to $9.82 (all-in), Hero calls $7.85 (all-in)

Turn: ($20.15) 4 (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($20.15) K (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $18.94 (Rake: $0.91)

Showdown:
BU shows 8 8 (three of a kind, Eights)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 81%, Flop: 96%, Turn: 98%, River: 100%)

MP (Hero) shows 5 5 (three of a kind, Fives)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 19%, Flop: 4%, Turn: 2%, River: 0%)

BU wins $18.03

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PokerStars Zoom, Hold'em No Limit - $0.05/$0.10 - 6 players
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UTG: $10.00 (100 bb)
MP: $11.23 (112 bb)
CO: $11.23 (112 bb)
BU: $10.00 (100 bb)
SB (Hero): $11.17 (112 bb)
BB: $11.79 (118 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with 9 9
3 players fold, BTN raises to $0.25, Hero 3-bets to $1.10, 1 fold, BTN 4-bets to $2.40, Hero calls $1.30

Flop: ($4.90) K 7 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $3.50, Hero raises to $8.77 (all-in), BTN calls $4.10 (all-in)

Turn: ($20.10) J (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($20.10) J (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $20.10 (Rake: $0.90)

Showdown:
SB (Hero) shows 9 9 (two pair, Jacks and Nines)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 19%, Flop: 42%, Turn: 25%, River: 0%)

BU shows A A (two pair, Aces and Jacks)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 81%, Flop: 58%, Turn: 75%, River: 100%)

BU wins $19.20

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PokerStars Zoom, Hold'em No Limit - $0.05/$0.10 - 6 players
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UTG: $12.90 (129 bb)
MP (Hero): $10.00 (100 bb)
CO: $15.48 (155 bb)
BU: $10.00 (100 bb)
SB: $10.60 (106 bb)
BB: $4.54 (45 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.15) Hero is MP with K 3
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.25, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.25, 1 fold, BB calls $0.15

Flop: ($0.80) 6 T Q (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.38, BTN raises to $1.52, BB raises to $4.29 (all-in), Hero raises to $9.75 (all-in), BTN calls $8.23 (all-in)

Turn: ($24.59) T (3 players, 3 all-in)

River: ($24.59) 7 (3 players, 3 all-in)

Total pot: $24.59 (Rake: $1.11)

Showdown:
MP (Hero) shows K 3 (a pair of Tens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 28%, Flop: 27%, Turn: 0%, River: 0%)

BB shows 9 J (a pair of Tens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 36%, Flop: 16%, Turn: 0%, River: 0%)

BU shows 6 6 (a full house, Sixes full of Tens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 36%, Flop: 58%, Turn: 100%, River: 100%)

BU wins $23.48

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PokerStars Zoom, Hold'em No Limit - $0.05/$0.10 - 6 players
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UTG (Hero): $10.15 (102 bb)
MP: $9.28 (93 bb)
CO: $14.22 (142 bb)
BU: $10.02 (100 bb)
SB: $13.20 (132 bb)
BB: $10.50 (105 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.15) Hero is UTG with 5 5
Hero raises to $0.25, MP calls $0.25, 4 players fold

Flop: ($0.65) 6 5 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $0.31, Hero raises to $1.15, MP calls $0.84

Turn: ($2.95) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $2.62, Hero raises to $8.75 (all-in), MP calls $5.26 (all-in)

River: ($18.71) A (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $18.71 (Rake: $0.84)

Showdown:
UTG (Hero) shows 5 5 (three of a kind, Fives)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 18%, Flop: 7%, Turn: 7%, River: 0%)

MP shows 6 6 (three of a kind, Sixes)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 82%, Flop: 93%, Turn: 93%, River: 100%)

MP wins $17.87

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PokerStars Zoom, Hold'em No Limit - $0.05/$0.10 - 6 players
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UTG: $11.78 (118 bb)
MP: $12.69 (127 bb)
CO: $8.98 (90 bb)
BU (Hero): $10.95 (110 bb)
SB: $12.93 (129 bb)
BB: $10.53 (105 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with A A
2 players fold, CO raises to $0.30, Hero 3-bets to $0.90, 2 players fold, CO calls $0.60

Flop: ($1.95) 7 J 4 (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $1, CO calls $1

Turn: ($3.95) K (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $2.10, CO calls $2.10

River: ($8.15) J (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $6.95 (all-in), CO calls $4.98 (all-in)

Total pot: $18.11 (Rake: $0.81)

Showdown:
BU (Hero) shows A A (two pair, Aces and Jacks)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 81%, Flop: 9%, Turn: 5%, River: 0%)

CO shows J J (four of a kind, Jacks)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 19%, Flop: 91%, Turn: 95%, River: 100%)

CO wins $17.30

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08 June 2024 at 06:58 PM
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K3s is just a preflop fold from MP and stacking of with the 2nd nut flush draw on the flop is spew (tilt ?)

55 is not a very strong hand on 6s5s2s4, and a very rare open from UTG to start with


Thank you! So I guess the age-old advice of "fold pre" would've unironically been correct and saved me a few bucks here :P


H1 - why did you check on the Turn? It looks like the Bet-Bet-Bet line for me.

H2 - If you know that SB can 4bet wide, then it looks okay. Otherwise, just call the 4bet.

H3 - WP.

H4 - I think we can fold against this big bet on the Flop.

H5 - fold reflop.

H6 - check/call on the Turn.

H7 - WP.


by slyless k

H1 - why did you check on the Turn? It looks like the Bet-Bet-Bet line for me.

H2 - If you know that SB can 4bet wide, then it looks okay. Otherwise, just call the 4bet.

H3 - WP.

H4 - I think we can fold against this big bet on the Flop.

H5 - fold reflop.

H6 - check/call on the Turn.

H7 - WP.

Thank you for the input! To answer your question: after he calls the overbet on the flop I'm giving him a range of PPs, strong ace highs and maybe some speculative KQs with backdoor flush draw or something. I just didn't think with the ace hitting the board I can get 3 streets of value out of his mid PPs anymore, and I'm not getting a second street out of any of the KQ type hands. Which leaves the aces, but I have blockers to those and we're getting it all in on the river when he has one in any case.

FWIW, I think I also check back all of my mid-high PPs here because I can't get any value out of worse anymore, plus when I have a PP there's way more aces in his range cus I don't block them.

So my thinking was, check back AA and let him put me on some mid-high PP that got scared by the ace, and maybe he'll try and bluff me with his random KQ type hands or even his lower PPs. I can jam over the river bet and he calls with his Ax anyway, so betting the turn doesn't help me get any extra value out of them.

Not saying it makes sense, but that was my reasoning 😃


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I did not check for this spot, but beware of this line of thought : "there are some hands I'd like to check here, so I will check also a very very strong hand". In fact we should instead think when we did overbet JTs on the flop and get this A turn : "there are a lot of A's in my range I'd like to value big now, so I guess I have to bet big with JTs also, worst case scenario I hit a J on the river and I'm not too unhappy"

edit : I realize above paragraph might seem very patronizing, but in fact I believe it's a big leak of mine, I believe I recognized an aspect of my game which is very bad and just thought I will share

Otherwise it's a pretty sick beat by the way, you should have posted in the fun HHs thread.


Are these in chronological order? Because they start out solid and then (with the exception of the last hand) get spewier as you move forward.

So if this is the order the hands were played, I’d say tilt could have had something to do with the back half of your runbad.


I would fold the AKo vs most players in my pool.

The 99 seems bad.

K3s also seems overplayed.


Would be intresting to see in wich order the hands happend to discover some behaviour patterns that can develop when running bad or very hot.
For example the AA hand is just a bet on the turn especially with population underbluffing the river with there kx and already overfolding them on flop. When your mind come up with a reason to check and afterwards you realise that this was a bad play anger can be created towards yourself. We are conditioned that mistakes deserve punishment therefore if the AA hand was the first hand of all this hands (just a example ) everything that follow can be a product of you selfsabotaging yourself.

AK hand
can be that you dont know but if you normaly are more carefull in getting it in and often just call the 3b the 4b ain could be a resullt of us trying to get back to even (chasing losses) so we are more willing to take a flip with QQ etc.
I recommend call vs population because they overfold vs 4b they dont 5b jam bluff etc and also postflop it is super tricky to play you dont want to take him the opportunity to make mistakes postflop to make a best case break even ain preflop. (but like i said maybe you know and it was chasing looses or selfsabotage thing )

55 hand
wp. but here again would be intrested in when this hand happend.

99
Just fold vs big bet especially because population is missing the 4b bluffs that you hope to see here like AJo ATo A9o etc and even then we are not in a great shape.
Here again can be if you would not have lost alot of stacks before you would find the fold (even pre we can just fold vs tight population)

K3s
Preflop very loose but can be a open if we minraise and if people behind are very nitty 3betting so we get postflop with fish often.
Postflop seems like again like the 99 and AK a chasing losses kind of thing just taking the flips more willingly.

55 hand
We overplay our hand common mistake and will get better with experience to get a better feeling for relative handstrenght.
But again we can be more inclined to just stick it in on turn when it can cause bigger pots = bigger emotions = more dopamin

AA hand
on that runout we need to check back with villain most likely overfolding turns and especialy when bet half pot he does not have the kx backdoors that we want to get called by and he has more frequent jx.
Like in the 55 hand it is about relative handstrenght maybe you just didnt know but if you are able to find this check in for example a drilling spot in wizard ( no emotions involved just knowledge) then it has to do with the ego.

Final thought
Please share the order in wich the hands happend would be intersting to see. And watch out for the tendency to take very marginal spots and when you are more willing to do so.
A very bad run and a very good run both release strong emotions and exitment the mind just dont want to be bored it does not care for you to win money so we take more risks to get into this extream cases.
I recomend meditating and getting a bigger cap between your thoughts and your actions so you are able to realise when emotional thoughts are taking over. As long we dont do this the mind and our emotinos are in controll ( the dopamin system and the unconciouss conditioning).
We need to be very carefull and never forget that poker has also the gambling aspect and when we are unaware we fall pray to it. Only because we say we do this professional makes us immun to the dangers of gambling. (not saying that you are a gambling addict 😃) but just drawing awarness to this side of poker i also need to considently work on that.


by giova9990x k

Would be intresting to see in wich order the hands happend to discover some behaviour patterns that can develop when running bad or very hot.
For example the AA hand is just a bet on the turn especially with population underbluffing the river with there kx and already overfolding them on flop. When your mind come up with a reason to check and afterwards you realise that this was a bad play anger can be created towards yourself. We are conditioned that mistakes deserve punishment therefore if the

Thanks so much for the detailed feedback! And yep, you're completely right about the mental side of things. Since this session there was one other time where I continued playing tilted, but only for a little while before realising what I was doing and stopping. And since then there have been a couple of times where I just stopped immediately when I noticed I was getting frustrated and not playing my best.

To answer your question, no they aren't in the order I played, I think I sorted by amount lost and then just went down the list pasting them into the thread at random (not necessarily one after the other).

Went back and checked though and this was the order in which they happened:

AA < A2
55 < 66
K3
AA < JJ
AK
99
55 < 88


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My suggestion is take a break.

Treat yourself to something if you’re profitable. Relax and enjoy yourself, your friends or your family. Poker will always be there when you’re ready to get back on the horse.

Sometimes the deck hits you hard or we make mistakes that cost us. Happens to everyone, so we learn, get better and resume the grind.

Good luck!

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