ATs vs 47/33
47/33 - 15 hands only
Winamax - €0.50 NL (5 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
SB: 43.74 BB (VPIP: 32.14, PFR: 10.71, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 29)
BB: 52.12 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
Hero (UTG): 116.4 BB
CO: 539.92 BB (VPIP: 28.85, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 23.53, Hands: 56)
BTN: 129.72 BB (VPIP: 46.67, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 15)
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T♦ A♦
Hero raises to 2.5 BB, fold, BTN calls 2.5 BB, fold, BB calls 1.5 BB
Flop: (8 BB, 3 players) 9♦ T♥ 7♠
BB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets 4 BB, BB calls 4 BB, Hero calls 4 BB
Turn: (20 BB, 3 players) 4♦
BB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets 16 BB, fold, Hero calls 16 BB
River: (52 BB, 2 players) 9♣
Hero checks, BTN bets 52 BB
15 Replies
Let it go.
I think this is a clear call. He's only repping 77 and slowplayed OPs. All draws miss. Raising bet sizes conflict themselves:
- if he's a passive trying to get 'sneak' value with JJ he wouldn't be so face-up/greedy
- if he's an aggro with a good combo any ^^^ is 3b very often
- usually confliction = bad range
Sometimes he has 77, sometimes he has QQ. But we only need to win a third of the time to break even. His line is crap and we have TPTK, plus he could value bet worse. I think folding is a decent EV mistake but be interested what others think.
I think this is a clear call. He's only repping 77 and slowplayed OPs. All draws miss. Raising bet sizes conflict themselves:
- if he's a passive trying to get 'sneak' value with JJ he wouldn't be so face-up/greedy
- if he's an aggro with a good combo any ^^^ is 3b very often
- usually confliction = bad range
Sometimes he will have 77, sometimes he will have QQ. But we only need to win a third of the time to break even. His line is crap and we have TPTK, plus he could value bet worse. I think foldi
Good analisys, but imo he can have T9s and if he is semifish can have ofc J8s and 86s, I think JJ and QQ is mostly a 3bet pre and most because his VPIP/PFR. I tanked a lot and call, but I dont know if is ev+ really
I think fish in general overbarrel as IP as the PFC, so we are looking to call down BC's in a SRP when applicable. Granted it's a bit different multiway but probably not that different given runout.
He can have anything but in one sense that only makes his range wider and more full of whiffed nonsense too. I think if they bet north of pot we might consider escaping but these odds seem too good. He's going to have it a lot but definitely not always too. And the math is in our favor.
(also, interesting stats even if only 12. More unlikely to be a passive. Possibly whale/fun type. Makes call more attractive)
15 hands isn't a lot. I would look at postflop aggression though.
I think call. KQ, KJ, QJ, 87, 88 all missed. You gave him room. Even if he was clicking buttons with a 9 here sometimes on flop and turn and now he is going for value on the river, if he ever has missed draws he plays like this it is going to be hard for him to not overbluff.
Some players go crazy facing the x/c x/c x/... line, we have TPTK and a ton of draws that missed... Anyway if they have the hand they pretend they have they should shove.
I think fish in general overbarrel as IP as the PFC, so we are looking to call down BC's in a SRP when applicable. Granted it's a bit different multiway but probably not that different given runout.
He can have anything but in one sense that only makes his range wider and more full of whiffed nonsense too. I think if they bet north of pot we might consider escaping but these odds seem too good. He's going to have it a lot but definitely not always too. And the math is in our favor.
(also, intere
What is BC's? Yeah you are convince me LOL, but yes I tanked a lot and call... And he have J8o, so if his range is so Wide preflop I think that my call is ev+?
I would fold this vs 85/10 let alone vs this guy.
Yes
^^^smh
BC = Bluffcatcher
Honestly, villain is a whale and seeing showdown only means we should call more often. If he's calling all J8o pre he has EVERY possible bluff available in this line. We know fish triple this spot too often (oop caller). So I still think folding here is torching EV. I would call all TPTK vs a whale. I'd call if I knew his hand.
If down the line we find out he's very passive with value then we change up. But I think default should be overcall in spots we know they overbluff with a ludicrous range.
He can have bunch of bluffs from pf but vast majority of fish don't bluff with pot size otr, so it doesn't matter that he can have QJo from preflop if he never pots it otr.
As general rule you shouldn't bluff catch when fish pot/ob esp in big pots without info.
Aye, you might be right. But I’ve underlined some of my points now and would look too silly backing down
lol good thread.
Folding the river. His turn bet isn't a bluff very often, but we beat hands that think they're good, so the call is obv fine, but combine that with the riverbomb and I'm out.
