St8 vs 30/20 3bet pot DEEP
30/20 only 20 hands
CO 53/13
Winamax - €0.50 NL (5 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
BB: 101.5 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 3)
UTG: 281.24 BB (VPIP: 30.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 20)
CO: 198.64 BB (VPIP: 53.33, PFR: 13.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
BTN: 147.98 BB (VPIP: 23.94, PFR: 18.62, 3Bet Preflop: 7.04, Hands: 192)
Hero (SB): 204.74 BB
Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J♠ T♠
UTG raises to 2.2 BB, CO calls 2.2 BB, fold, Hero raises to 15 BB, fold, UTG calls 12.8 BB, CO calls 12.8 BB
Flop: (46 BB, 3 players) 9♣ 2♣ Q♦
Hero bets 23 BB, UTG calls 23 BB, CO calls 23 BB
Turn: (115 BB, 3 players) K♦
Hero bets 57.5 BB, UTG calls 57.5 BB, fold
River: (230 BB, 2 players) K♥
Hero checks, UTG bets 185.74 BB and is all-in
12 Replies
Tough spot but I think it's a fold. The only value we're beating is a potential AK that floated the flop but I think we have to discount that a bit cos he should be folding unless it's exactly AKcc. Once he shoves I don't think you have the equity to call. But I could be wrong, interested to hear what others think.
Tough spot but I think it's a fold. The only value we're beating is a potential AK that floated the flop but I think we have to discount that a bit cos he should be folding unless it's exactly AKcc. Once he shoves I don't think you have the equity to call. But I could be wrong, interested to hear what others think.
And if best to check fold or to push River?
Would call or fold pre
Would x/j turn
Agree with calling pre
I would just jam turn they can have ton of super draws and sets, CO is also a fish he can even call with naked 2p maybe even a K. River is ugly i think in theory just jam there is not much left only 40% bet.
Agree with calling pre
I would just jam turn they can have ton of super draws and sets, CO is also a fish he can even call with naked 2p maybe even a K. River is ugly i think in theory just jam there is not much left only 40% bet.
Yes I like call pre...
I play bad OTT, but as played I have to push the river. So push river is best to check, but in theory if i check the river is best to fold or call like I do? Thanks
Main lesson is turn
River XF is good if he only jams better but he can jam some AKs KJs or seem hand it really looks like you have AA once you check river.
Main lesson is turn
River XF is good if he only jams better but he can jam some AKs KJs or seem hand it really looks like you have AA once you check river.
What do you think about Axcc? Maybe he calls that pre and takes this line post being this deep. Should we discount that? Not sure about it. I mean if that's the case plus the odd KJs AK s should be a call for sure.
GTOw mixes fold (mainly)/raise/call preflop, I think folding is very nice personally as playing deep out of position is well known to be an undesirable situation. I remember a Jarretman video on YT where he plays a 3b pot IP deep and says "he has to click call and I will just put a lot of pressure on him". GTOw also 3bet to 12bb only, presumably for the similar reason that you have little incentive to build a big pot that you will have to fight for in a difficult position.
Just my 2cts, spitting out computer results, but in my humble opinion worth to study.
Flop seems like a very huge bet against 2 opponents? I don't think this flop favors us that much, we want a K or something like 778?
So I think main conclusion for OP is river is close either way depending on our assumptions. But we should consider our options with the vulnerable nuts ott and never rule out just jamming or x/jamming when villian can legitimately call off worse. And even if they fold we're often pushing them off significant equity.
