What do you think he has?
My First post in this forum, please let me know if I have any errors in posting or anything that I can improve, thank you!
GG Poker - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com
BB: 100.5 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 8)
CO: 54 BB (VPIP: 54.55, PFR: 45.45, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 12)
BTN: 224 BB (VPIP: 27.78, PFR: 22.22, 3Bet Preflop: 15.79, Hands: 55)
Hero (SB): 159 BB
Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Qh Th
fold, BTN raises to 2 BB, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, BTN calls 1 BB
Flop : (7 BB, 2 players) Jd 6c 4d
Hero checks, BTN checks
Turn : (7 BB, 2 players) 3d
Hero checks, BTN checks
River : (7 BB, 2 players) 8s
Hero bets 2.5 BB, BTN raises to 10 BB, fold
BTN wins 11.5 BB
all and all I just folded because I don't have any S/D ..... button opens loose so I cant really narrow his ranges either
12 Replies
Why did you min3bet preflop?
Thank you for your reply, because he has the highest stack and he could squeeze. On my sb range, I could have folded this on the SB but wanted to see the flop. Didnt want to overbet on QTs... I think calling would be better here instead of just min raise 4 bet.
Thank you for your reply, because he has the highest stack and he could squeeze. On my sb range, I could have folded this on the SB but wanted to see the flop. Didnt want to overbet on QTs... I think calling would be better here instead of just min raise 4 bet.
Your minraise preflop is called a 3-bet. You can think of the blinds as a 1-bet, an open raise a 2-bet, and the number increases by one for each raise thereafter. An overbet is only possible postflop in which it would be defined as a bet that is > the size of the pot.
Many players will recommend to play a 3-bet or fold strategy when facing opens from the SB, especially when starting out. I would also recommend this. Here would be my ~recommended 3-bet sizings for 100bb effective when facing an open raise and you are in the small blind:
2.0 -> 9.0 - 10.0
2.5 -> 10.0 - 11.0
3.0 -> 11.0 - 12.0
And some people say pokers no longer profitable
you mean he could 4bet. Squeeze is like a 3b only if you do it vs 1 openraiser + at least another cold caller so for example if you would just call the button openraise the bb could squeeze.
There is no reason to be scared of a 4b if he 4b we just fold it seems your thoughtprocess / decision making is heavy fear driven caused by a poor fundamental theoretical knowledge wich is totaly normal at the beginning of your carrer.
I recommend starting with learning the preflopranges with gto wizard there you can see all ranges that you need and wich sizings you should use for 3betting etc.
thank you for all of your responses, I appreciate it!
I'm just wondering if any raise during preflop is considered 2bet (except all-in)? Eg. UTG, UTG+1 folded until CO raises to 4BB. (open raise/2-bet) subsequently, if BU re-raises to 12BB it is considered as 3bet.
Thanks!
thank you for all of your responses, I appreciate it!
I'm just wondering if any raise during preflop is considered 2bet (except all-in)? Eg. UTG, UTG+1 folded until CO raises to 4BB. (open raise/2-bet) subsequently, if BU re-raises to 12BB it is considered as 3bet.
Thanks!
Even if someone jammed preflop as an open it would still be (technically) a 2-bet. You'll want to familiarize yourself with a lot of the poker jargon and look at preflop ranges like someone previously suggested. You can look at the stickied threads here and in the beginner's subforum.
Your rationale (if I understand it correctly) for making a min 3-bet rather than a larger size doesn’t really make sense. If I understood you correctly, you didn’t want to 3-bet larger because you were afraid villain might 4-bet. Well, even after the min 3-bet, he still could 4-bet. If you meant that you bet small because you would have to fold to a 4-bet, well that’s a mistake. Yes, it might save you some money on this particular hand, but it will cost you in the long run. When you have better hands that can call the 4-bets (like your premiums AA,KK,AK, etc,) you want to bet larger to build the pot in a spot where you have an advantage. So then, we 3-bet bigger with premium hands and smaller with lesser hands? Surely you can see the flaw in this strategy. Opponents will catch on and exploit you. They will 4-bet your small 3-bets and fold to your large ones. That is the opposite of what we want. It’s far better to have a single size for all our preflop bets and not change that size for different holdings. There are reasons to vary sizes PF, but the cards you hold are not one of them.
Your rationale (if I understand it correctly) for making a min 3-bet rather than a larger size doesn’t really make sense. If I understood you correctly, you didn’t want to 3-bet larger because you were afraid villain might 4-bet. Well, even after the min 3-bet, he still could 4-bet. If you meant that you bet small because you would have to fold to a 4-bet, well that’s a mistake. Yes, it might save you some money on this particular hand, but it will cost you in the long run. When you have better
Yeah I agree on that, thank you for spotting on one of my leaks
Thank you for your reply, because he has the highest stack and he could squeeze. On my sb range, I could have folded this on the SB but wanted to see the flop. Didnt want to overbet on QTs... I think calling would be better here instead of just min raise 4 bet.
Relative stack size doesnt really matter in cash games - unlike tournaments, where your stack is your tournament life, you can rebuy in cash games. Only the absolute stack size (in big blinds) and the effective stack (which means the lowest stack involved in the hand) matters heads up. If you have 160bb it doesnt matter if the villain has 160bb, 161bb or 160000bb - you arent gonna be playing for more than 160bb anyways (same logic if villain has a shorter stack), so you should apply the logic that is relevant to 160bb
I think if someone plays deeps they can play loosely and raise more to cause people to fold and stuff, or is that only usually happen in tourneys?