I LOVE jacks
But do i love my shove?
(villain tagged 'passive', suspected fish)
UTG: 150.8 BB
CO: 120.4 BB
Hero (BTN): 101.5 BB
SB: 100.2 BB
BB: 111.7 BB
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J♣ J♦
fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, BB raises to 12 BB, Hero calls 9 BB
Flop: (24.5 BB, 2 players) 3♦ 4♦ K♠
BB bets 7 BB, Hero calls 7 BB
Turn: (38.5 BB, 2 players) K♣
BB bets 14 BB, Hero calls 14 BB
River: (66.5 BB, 2 players) 5♦
BB bets 15.8 BB, Hero raises to 68.5 BB and is all-in
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I think we have a showdown value here. And to bluff, use weaker hands with a diamond blocker.
This is a fancy play that should be done with good reads. If you just throwing stack randomly, these kind of plays add a lot of variance and can eat up a lot of WR if you dont do it right.
yikes you got me bro - totally random!
I think we have a showdown value here. And to bluff, use weaker hands with a diamond blocker.
My thinking along the lines of 'so rarely does this with TT-99, very weighted to QQ'. Does that match up with your range research?
In light of that I thought J♦ was irrelevant, but happy to be corrected. I can see him barreling AQdd, but AJ/JTdd seems less of a concern imo
I think we win with JJ in this weak line too much to raise river. On the other hand, its still a 3b from bb (people dont 3b polar enough) and a triple barrel on a wet board, but then, what is he folding? Aces with no diamond specifically?
Discard Jacks for the hit the road multiplier.
You should 4bet pre imo unless they're super tight. I often use this line to induce with nuts and Kx so I'd just be calling on the river and hoping for a AQ bluff etc. so I think its punty against villain's range realistically.
You should 4bet pre imo unless they're super tight. I often use this line to induce with nuts and Kx so I'd just be calling on the river and hoping for a AQ bluff etc. so I think its punty against villain's range realistically.
I don't hate 4betting, but I hate 4bet folding Jacks and yet that would seem the logical play when they 5b jam @ micros
Are you barreling FDs for b35 ott? I think that's a reasonable mistake looking at gtow:
Our range wants to bet big, targeting IP's capped range with all that value and good FE. EV difference between b33 and b75:
Not catastrophic but significant. I think our Kx really wants to get paid before nuts ruining rivers and our bluffs need to force IP into indifference with their weaker pairs and FDs. Rather than the easy call of b35.
GTO going to be mostly conjecture in this line given OOP's more linear range i know, but I think if they ever start folding some Kx, AA, QQ in this spot we print by jamming JJ/TT/99 w/♦ and possibly without a ♦ that will lose at showdown often enough to make jam EV > call EV.
I don't hate 4betting, but I hate 4bet folding Jacks and yet that would seem the logical play when they 5b jam @ micros
Are you barreling FDs for b35 ott? I think that's a reasonable mistake looking at gtow:
Our range wants to bet big, targeting IP's capped range with all that value and good FE. EV difference between b33 and b75:
Not catastrophic but significant. I think our Kx really wants to get paid before nuts ruining rivers and our bluffs need to force IP into indifference with their weake
Depends on the sizing scheme I use- people slightly overfold to turn cbets there in general so it’s dependent on villain and what you’re trying to achieve imo.
I doubt you’ll get better to fold here but I might be wrong.
I think that’s reasonable. V tank folds here so suspect they were playing face up with scared value, QQ+ (I can’t imagine anyone is tank folding TT).
Expect this play veers into -EV when they size up any street, but I could not put him on a FD when he takes this line. Passives tend to, well, be passive with draws on the whole. Ironically, when they size down ott here I think that's value. (almost foldable ha)
