I'm not the bluffer's bluffer I'm the bluffers bluffer's son
Frowny face.
PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
Hero (BB): 134.3 BB
UTG: 218.7 BB
CO: 113.5 BB
BTN: 100 BB
SB: 100 BB
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 6♥ A♠
fold, fold, fold, SB raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 10 BB, SB calls 7 BB
Flop: (20 BB, 2 players) 3♠ 9♦ 3♣
SB checks, Hero bets 6.3 BB, SB calls 6.3 BB
Turn: (32.6 BB, 2 players) T♣
SB checks, Hero bets 18 BB, SB calls 18 BB
River: (68.6 BB, 2 players) A♥
SB bets 65.7 BB and is all-in, Hero go hmmm
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I dont like turn bet. I dont see what worse call-call-donk shoves
Looks like a desperation bluff on a scare river card. I would decide based on read/timming.
Turn 3/4 imo would be better just to make it much harder for 22 44-88 and stronger Ax to call.
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My guess is you called and he showed 65cc
omg this is such a tough spot.
but call, I think this dude knows u overfold and tryna exploit u via pot odds. U got a good bluff catcher.
low chance u run into AA and lose.
If its a rec I'd call as played. I would also check back the flop though against pool - delays overperform here and you can just raise turn probe and blast river v recs anyways so I think cbetting the flop with this combo is an error. So is cbetting the turn- it seems needless to me imho.
yeah turn probe i think good, if got re-raise from SB i think its good to fold.
I think cbetting the flop with this combo is an error. So is cbetting the turn- it seems needless to me imho.
I was taught micro pop overcalls pre, overfolds flop, overfolds turn, is that not correct? If it is, how do we compare attack probe EV given paucity of data?
I'm all for it, ofc, if it rocks, but i don't have any strong data that supports such a nuanced line. I probably do shut down after the turn tbh because i don't expect a fish to go anywhere on this board after that.
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Sooo... I called. Results:
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PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
Hero (BB): 134.3 BB
UTG: 218.7 BB
CO: 113.5 BB
BTN: 100 BB
SB: 100 BB
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 6♥ A♠
fold, fold, fold, SB raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 10 BB, SB calls 7 BB
Flop: (20 BB, 2 players) 3♠ 9♦ 3♣
SB checks, Hero bets 6.3 BB, SB calls 6.3 BB
Turn: (32.6 BB, 2 players) T♣
SB checks, Hero bets 18 BB, SB calls 18 BB
River: (68.6 BB, 2 players) A♥
SB bets 65.7 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 65.7 BB
SB shows 9♣ 9♥ (Full House, Nines full of Threes)
(Pre 72%, Flop 99.6%, Turn 100%)
Hero shows 6♥ A♠ (Two Pair, Aces and Threes)
(Pre 28%, Flop 0.4%, Turn 0%)
SB wins 190 BB
Why do i think it was figureoutable?
This is classic fish value move play imo. When they see the A river they are not strong enough to recognise that I have a pile of Ax bluffs here, they're just lol-jamming value. So we end up overlevelling a lot. Giving them too much credit for reading and adjusting exploitatively to our range.
And usually when a fish goes all-in to attack a range they shouldn't even be aware of it's a decent signal they've smuggled something in earlier in the hand.
Very player dependent. Vs anyone remotely aggressive a fistpump call but vast majority of fish and bad regs/pool do not have any kind of range levelling in their arsenal and play face up almost permanently. (or, at least, never >33%)
I was taught micro pop overcalls pre, overfolds flop, overfolds turn, is that not correct? If it is, how do we compare attack probe EV given paucity of data?
I'm all for it, ofc, if it rocks, but i don't have any strong data that supports such a nuanced line. I probably do shut down after the turn tbh because i don't expect a fish to go anywhere on this board after that.
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Sooo... I called. Results:
It is correct, regs that are tight will fold easily even with some little size. If they call something is wrong. Fish however will call with big size, overbet (bluffs and nuts) or valuebet (with sd value ++ nuts)
I think delays overperform because people overstab and underprotect checking range.
Regarding the hand at hand, i think i've seen someone in this forum mention that call-call-donk shove line is super strong according to mda.
I think delays overperform because people overstab and underprotect checking range.
Regarding the hand at hand, i think i've seen someone in this forum mention that call-call-donk shove line is super strong according to mda.
its hard to balance between fast play and delays... just want to confirm that delay is slowplaying right?
its hard to balance between fast play and delays... just want to confirm that delay is slowplaying right?
What im talking about is delayed cbet - you dont cbet flop, and cbet turn (or river) instead, if they check to you. Your range might be weaker in absolute terms, but when it checks back to you again, you retain the relative advantage, as far as i understand it, so you can cbet even after xx-x(x-x).
