River sizing vs huge fish, uber deep stacks
Ok game is 9 handed roughly equivalent of 100NL in asian app with squid game(you lose 33bb or more every 11 hands if you don't win a single hand).
The pool in general are very fishy and aggro at the same time.
This is first hand of the round s noone has a squid yet.
Effective stacks 1073bb
2 limpers
Fish in mp opens 26bb(very big, usually 10-18bb open is more "standard") so assume his range is on the stronger side, TT+/AQ+
Hero in SB flats with 6♦6♠
Headsup pot 57.1bb
Flop A♦A♠4♦
Check check
Turn 6♣
Hero checks, Villain bets 38.5bb
Hero check/raises to 158bb
Villain calls
Pot 373.1
River 9♦
Villain's range is AA, Ax, TT+
We have 890bb left.
How much do we bet on river for maximum value??? We bet folding? or Bet/calling if he does shove for ?
We betting big or small?
2HH I have on villain
HH1
He flats w/KTo oop, K84cc x/c 1/3 pot
Turn Q, facing pot size bet, he check/ships 2.5x the bet
HH2
He limp/call w/JTo for like 20+bb
QT4r He x/c pot bet
K He donk shove pot.
4 Replies
I might just fold pre, you're set mining for 26bb OOP? That's crazy ...
x/x flop and then x/b/xr line has never made any sense to me, what's the reasoning behind it?
Why not just lead out turn since villain checked back on the flop?
also not sure about the x/r sizing, that's pretty huge, there's about 90 in the pot (+ your 158) and villain has to add 120 to call
20% bet on the river, make it look like a block bet and hope villain raises?
could also check river hoping villain bets either for value or as a bluff
The issue is we've made ourselves look so strong on the turn, a big bet or raise on the river now kinda looks like a full, or at least a strong flush.
Don't see how we can ever fold river? Only things that beat us are A9, A6 & 99, villain could have any flush. I don't see villain opening any of those for 26bb pre?
These are just my thoughts in the moment, I'm not the best at reading ranges.
I might just fold pre, you're set mining for 26bb OOP? That's crazy ...
x/x flop and then x/b/xr line has never made any sense to me, what's the reasoning behind it?
Why not just lead out turn since villain checked back on the flop?
also not sure about the x/r sizing, that's pretty huge, there's about 90 in the pot (+ your 158) and villain has to add 120 to call
I think set mining is ok this deep? I thought limpers were going to call sometimes as well.
When villain checks back on AAx flop, he's either nutted(AA/Ax) or pot controlling with big pocket pairs.
So I think against this range he's betting on the turn 100% of the time. We check/raise might look FOS to villain? Game is hyper aggro, lots of aggression everywhere.
As for the x/r, I thought it was on the "smaller" side already since it's less than a pot size raise. I even thought about raising bigger to like 250-300 to try to get stacks in vs Ax but then again it looks too value heavy. So not too sure about bigger sizing or smaller is better.
Checking is fine sometimes, but betting small wins more against this type.
Spoiler
In game, I was thinking betting too big might get folds since the flush card came out.
I ended up betting for a small amount(55%), 205bb, villain snap called. Automucked in game so dunno what he had(probably Ax?).
I'm wondering if it was alot better to bet bigger like pot or slight overbet.
The very next hand
Villain opened AKo to 28bb in mp, 4 callers
Flop KJ6hh
SB donks out 173bb (1.2xpot) with 400bb behind
Villain jams for 600+bb effective with 2 more players behind yet to act
MP+1 snap calls w/66
SB snap calls w/T8hh????? (yea sb is also a huge fish, we stacked him earlier with flop nuts)
And turn+river are J and K for runner runner fullhouse stacking 2 players.
This hand got me wondering how much value I might have missed. Maybe villain got tilted from my hand or maybe this is his standard play.
Now imagine if I were to bet 400bb or so, and he still calls. That's 200bb more value.
Maybe it was better to raise bigger on turn(250-300bb) to set up river shove.
Still not too sure because it would suck if villain somehow can get away and folds Ax.
