Carnivore vs vegan diet

Argumentum ad hominem, as usual, when less intelligent folks are delivered scientific facts, while being unable to find arguments for their contrary laughable believes.

So let's be precise. What, precisely, is the method to calculate expected weight loss and gain based on energy exertion and food intake?

If it's not based on the calories burned and calories ingested, what is the relation?

How do you calculate, again with mathematical precision, whether you're eating enough food to gain, or not enough to maintain?

Put up or shut up.

I think we all assumed you were okay with ad hominem posting when you accused LoL of being a corporate shill.

I always assumed LoL worked for big apple.

I dont, cause i dont have to (see pics ITT).
It aint possible, anyway.

For the most part, i eat a species appropriate diet, and simply stop eating when im not hungry anymore. Works very well.

If i'd want to lose more weight, i'd stop eating fruits and nuts, and if i'd want to gain weight, i'd add more eggs and butter.

Edit: Put your OCD aside, or shut up

Throwing 'OCD' at me when you're the bozo who claimed calorie counting is bad because it's imprecise, despite having to admit your broscience is all bro and no science.

I win. You can go now, son.

Jimmies have been rustled, ha?

No no, you are dismissed. Adults are speaking.

You won,... because i let myself down to answer your clueless trolling. Keep selling at the sky, old man.

I'll leave this thread, cause there is nothing i can add anymore, without repeating myself. But mostly because i dont like to communicate with imbeciles.

Oh snap, he’s LEAVING the THREAD.

RIP

Okay.

Yeah, sweet. So if I say you said that eating pure carnivore will instantly cure a person with chronic clinical schizophrenia, that would be twisting/spinning what you said, or nah?

Explains what? Speak on it, son.

Oh, I guess I'm a carnivore then. Oh, yeah, I don't eat fish or eggs either.

Lemme guess... you're going to tell me?

I said 100K not a marathon. Any scrub has enough glycogen to get 15-20 miles into a marathon and can will their way for the rest. Whatcha gonna do when you hit the 60K mark? You think fat can be converted into instant energy? Lmao. If I don't eat carbs and sugars during an ultra, I'm as good as dead.

Oh, u big mad again.

by Parasense k

This guy improved his Marathon time by 28 minutes on carnivore diet:

https://carnivore.diet/alan-improved-training-recovery-and-marathon-time-by-28-5-minutes-in-one-year-on-the-carnivore-diet/

Carnivore Diet

Alan improved training recovery and marathon time by 28.5 minutes in one year on the carnivore diet

Welcome back.

Oh, wow, 28 minutes, eh? Nick Cage youdontsay.jpeg. Oprah improved her marathon time by 2 hours by just losing 150 pounds.

But okay, let's click on it for the lols.

56-years-old, 305 pounds, doc said to lose weight.
Lost 110 pounds in 7 months by eating fewer calories.
Started a running program to train for marathons.
They don't list any marathon times for 4 years (go figure).
Qualifies for Boston at age 60 with a 3:43.
Starts eating a carnivore diet.
Shaves 11% (the figure they used) off his marathon time.

So he went from 305 pounds down to 195 and qualified for Boston all while eating the same diet he was eating previously. As he got better at running, his marathon times improved.

What fish like you fall for is they don't list his race times and where he raced. There are easy marathons and there are difficult marathons (I'll leave it up to you to figure out why 26.2 miles outdoor at one location can be more challenging than 26.2 miles outdoor at another location).

I'd have to see 3 marathons of similar difficulty with roughly the same finishing times. Then if homeboy shaves 28 minutes a year later off his next marathon that is of similar difficulty and weather conditions as the other 3, then I'd say he might have taken 28 minutes of his marathon. A noob getting faster each race is just what noobs do.

It's like a 20-year-old that never lifted weights going from 135 to 225 squat in a month. That derp shouldn't be telling a 495 pound squatter that he has the secret that can increase his squat by 67% in a month.

you seem very very delusional.

I doubt you have any meaningful experience with eating 10kg of brassica a day for an extended tie period or the impact on your gastric tract.

The bet offered was that you cant put on 2 kg of body weight in 2 weeks by just eating broccoli.

The way you phrase it you open it up for an angle already:

2 weeks you can't be 2kg heavier

phrased like this you just cut more before wight in then weight out.

listen maybe i am just misjudging you and you are actually just insane but every even somewhat reasonable person knows you cant win that bet fair and square so obviously you are trying to angle.

maybe you are just that confused. But yeah i mean you little speech at the end of your post already makes clear you are trying to angle.

You think its unreasonable to make sure you are not cutting water weight in a bet about the validity of the claim that you can bulk up on just broccoli?

Whats next? Making sure you actually only eat broccoli?

I have meaningful experience with eating 3000-5000 calories of nothing but raw vegetables and fruits daily for over 2 years straight. I can eat 19 pounds of raw and cooked broccoli daily for 2 weeks, junior.

Hey man, here is exactly what he said and the stipulations he put forth:

It turned out the "controlled environment" is him sitting in a room with me for 2 weeks to make sure I'm only eating broccoli.

I laughed and said it was a fake bet because anyone with any wits about them would have made the 2 weeks before and after stipulations that I brought up. I brought them up because neither you nor he could figure out how easily this could be angleshot and so it must be a bullshit bet.

Turns out he didn't even have money for the bet and you said he was 100% serious when he actually has no cash. Fk outta here.

So what you're saying is I can't gain 2kg eating only broccoli and water for 2 weeks?
No fasting before.
Honest weigh in.
No drinking large quantities of water during.
8 glasses of water daily max.
All the broccoli I want for 2 weeks.
Weigh out after a 12-hour water and broccoli fast.
You don't think I can do that and weigh 2kg more?

The way he stipulated the bet, that's more than fair.

Stop twisting ****, sir. I would never have guessed that anyone would dumb enough to accept the bet, and of course 2 weeks in a controlled environment would include a check in by a doctor to make sure you are properly hydrated.
I would not have cared, if you fasted before, because im not sure if that's even possible to check. Just LOL that you think slowing your metabolism down like that before going into the bet would give you an advantage...A simple rule like you have to be at at least ~15% bodyfat would be mandatory, of course.
Max of water of 8 glasses (~2.5 Liter), and only Broccoli. No salt, electrolytes or whatever else.
We'd make it Evian water.

Details to my side have to be added, too, ofc.

Think twice if you want the bet under these circumstances. I'll write a detailed but short contract, in that case.

We'd take my escrow ("curesive" on two plus two), and you'll have to send first, because i'll need to sell my second flat, pay taxes on that, book a flight to vegas and back home, and get a reputable doctor there to do the check in and check out (plus half of the Hotel cost, ofc).

Should i ask my old backer to contact you now?
As i said, im fairly sure i can get more money than just my own for this bet, enough to hit 100k total, at least.

Are you dense or something. I mentioned multiple times how you obviously want to angle the bet and how thats problematic.

Now you come out with: Haha! I was going to angle this and you dint even see that!

Whats wrong with you bro?

Also i still doubt that you can eat 10 kg of brassica a day for 2 weeks.

I mean technically you could probably force it in and purge a few times a day.

So in essence no you cant win the bet by the spirit of the bet or fair and square what ever you want to call it.

I dont doubt that with enough motivation you will find a way to angle it.

So congratulation beside being a moron you are also untrustworthy.

Good for you!

LoL has made it clear he's willing to take your money, so get busy selling your "second flat". That's code for I'm broke and I'll never come up with the money to back up my HU4ROLLZ bs, right?

it's all Hormones...

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I thought you left the thread. Good DAY sir.

- I never said hu4rolls, that's what LoL was twisting of my "play heads up to pass time, any variant you want", and now you parrot it, you fool.
- Surely a baller like you keeps 100k under your pillow, just in case someone offers a heads up for rolls... I must be stupid collecting monthly rent for my investment, instead of being a tough cowboy like you...
- Posting an edit saying "i thought i locked in on my gimmick", instead of deleting the post... You wanna be an escrow, you biased pretentious joke of a mod?

You've said it numerous times that CICO is garbage and doesn't work, you moronic troll.

What? You mean how you've been posting the majority of the time. Most people have tried engaging with you honestly. You keep shifting the goalposts and refuting what you actually are saying. I mean, there's literal sentences we can take from you saying these things and then you tell us that you never said it; people aren't inferring things from your posts.

You aren't trying to have a good faith discussion whatsoever. You act as if carnivore is the only way to eat. I would say carnivore is better than many diets, but it is definitely suboptimal. Vegan is also suboptimal. The point of the thread was not to argue the merits of these diets, it was for you to try and indoctrinate people into going carnivore.

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CICO is inacurate, but good enough for total morons, who wanna eat ****. Just join weight watchers, and leave me the **** alone with your grandpa nonsense.

You are a bunch of people with reading comprehension problems, aside of general lack of knowledge and manners.
When it comes to facts, you spazz about your believes and feelings instead of giving a single argument. I didnt think that one can be woke, and an old fart at the same time, but OOT showed me that it's very possible.

Now that LoL keeps his mouth shut, im done here. Expected exactly that to happen.

Ban me, if i ever post in OOT again. Your incestous wokeism and ****tardry is nothing i want to be any part of, at all.

You are the one basically posting the YouTube conspiracy theories of dieting, but we are the "woke" ones, like that is actually a word that is supposed to enrage people or something.

I would've permabanned you for being a moron and trolling if I were an OOT mod, but I'm not, so hopefully someone else does it so you aren't tempted to start the 78th thread on some bullshit diet you are in.