Mixed Games Winrates?
Hello Everyone!
I'm a NLHM pro. But, I love playing mixed games. I have been debating trying to become a mixed game pro here in Vegas.
Anyone have any ideas on achievable win rates? Is it likely to be higher or lower than HM?
Thoughts on how difficult it is to become skilled at many variants?
Any other comments on mixed game life?
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Hello Everyone!
I'm a NLHM pro. But, I love playing mixed games. I have been debating trying to become a mixed game pro here in Vegas.
Anyone have any ideas on achievable win rates? Is it likely to be higher or lower than HM?
Thoughts on how difficult it is to become skilled at many variants?
Any other comments on mixed game life?
I don't know the answer to win rates.
How difficult is it to become skilled in many variants? Many of the games have very common 'themes', especially the split pot games where concentrating your starting ranges on hands that can scoop is important. Understanding when to 'push' or 'pull' is also common to the split games.
Of course each game will have different subtleties beyond that. You will need a fair bit of table time and OTJ learning. There aren't public solvers for mixed games, and the content is way less.
Most mixed games have a smaller community of players. They are often started by a game runner. Getting in good with that person, so you get a seat when the game starts is vital. Being good for the game so you get to keep your starting seat in the future is also important.
If you get good, the games can get very big, and I'd imagine the WR will be quite satisfactory.
I'd say the win rates are roughly comparable at upper low stakes through lower mid-stakes.
A good NL pro might make $50/hr or more playing 3/5 or 5/10.
A good mix player might make $60/hr or more playing 20/40.
The bulk of the winrate will often come from weak players, and require game selection. And calculating win rates in Mix is more complicated because everyone has strong games and weak game.
It's very difficult to get skilled at all mix games, especially because many of the more popular variants aren't spread widely or easily available online. In many cases, you are going to learn some of these games at the table and should expect to lose in some variants until you have logged 1k+ hands. You may never become a winning player in certain variants, at least relative to other regular players in your normal games. Mix players also tend to be more skilled than NL players on average, because the games require a higher level of mechanical knowledge, etc.
When in doubt, defaulting to extra tight is normally ok.
The more I play mix, the more I realize the way to win is to figure out other people’s leaks in different games. Don’t just label someone “bad”
