My results of grinding 2NL 5NL 10NL 25NL 50NL 100NL
Hello everyone, I want to share with you my 20 days result with 50$ deposit on GGpoker
2NL was awful, after like 15k hand
This is how i stack GG nitties 😃
I'm getting better and better with range interactions, i feel playing 3b and 4b pots much easier then before, sometimes i 4bet weak 3b ranges with hands like even KTs but fold AQo vs strong ranges etc
Squeezing from BB/SB more lighter and more often vs weak ranges and playing postflop easily, rarely stacking off with weak hands etc
Some more hands with value lines, what if i've shoved here?
here i was little greedy shoving 200bb hoping a set will call me or a two pair, should i have bet less? but prolly he was on a busted flush draw anyway
Thanks guys for your guidelines but i couldn't execute the bet-fold line correctly it's not in my nature, thats why i wanted to check turn, this kind of hands really hits my winrate big time, when they raise 99% of cases they have it
I had not a bad day today won x5 BI or something and before i go to sleep i thought to play like 30mins and guess what happened?
Very first hand i just got little careless because opponent had short stack, my bad, i should have played according to my gameplan
Second hand right after, not even 10min passed since i started
After like two hands i got dealt AK and someone 5bet shoves on me, here i think to myself vs that guy i just fold here but since i lost 2 hands i make an exception and lets try our luck, guess what!?
idk about you guys but this is my GG standard my AK vs AA
ok after like 2min i got dealt KK and got into 3b pot saw flop and thought to myself ok i lost so many hands now i make another exception, i dont check turn and go for stack off since flop seems safe and look at this
you dont believe me but all these hands happened during first 15min
for you guys maybe these are setups but considering GG pool for me these are clear blunders
AK call to shove was clear blunder, KJ not checking turn was clear blunder, KK not checking turn was clear blunder, only flush vs flush was a setup
now you see how hard is to play in this pool, i need to play like a robot all the time, control the pot, make very disciplined folds etc, otherwise there is no hope
This thread feels like Rapidesh's thread all over again.
many here play only regular tables, where the level is much worse. They play them because they can't do zoom games. This is why I wouldn't take advice from these roasters.
many here play only regular tables, where the level is much worse. They play them because they can't do zoom games. This is why I wouldn't take advice from these roasters.
I don’t want to be mean or arrogant but i believe any good zoom reg who climbed his way to higher zoom limits can eat regular tables much easier
Thats my end goal to practice and beat zoom and then play higher reg tables with at least 1 fish on it but this kind of tables are always taken in higher limits and have big list of waiting players who use seating scripts maybe that will be a problem
Another day starts, im starting with a blunder, villain had 35% VPIP and hud shows 18% 3bet, so i decided to 4b and stack off with TT, never trust GG hud lol
I need to be more accurate with range interactions especially in 4b pots
you dont believe me but all these hands happened during first 15min
for you guys maybe these are setups but considering GG pool for me these are clear blunders
AK call to shove was clear blunder, KJ not checking turn was clear blunder, KK not checking turn was clear blunder, only flush vs flush was a setup
now you see how hard is to play in this pool, i need to play like a robot all the time, control the pot, make very disciplined folds etc, otherwise there is no hope
You are being way too results oriented. Just because you happened to lose a hand doesn't mean its a blunder. It's totally fine to get stacked by a set occasionally while holding an overpair.
From what I can tell about your posted hands, you play with fear trying to control the pot with your strongest hands which usually results in you winning a small pot the times you have a big hand. Also you are burning money donking on boards where you lack the nut advantage because you are trying to control the size of the pot. Any player with a functioning brain can quickly figure out what you are doing and just raise you out of the pot with bluffs.
It's great that you are highly motivated to succeed in poker, but your approach of obsessing over exploits based on miniscule samples without even knowing the basic theorethical strategy your opponents might be deviating from is costing you time and money.
I recommend you to buy GTOWizard and drill the fundamentals. They also have great free articles that I have learnt a lot from. In my honest opinion just scrap everything you thought you knew about poker so far and focus on building a solid strategy. Beating micros online really isn't rocket science. Just play solid and capitalize on your opponents mistakes.
Just my 2 cents as someone who was playing similar stakes not too long ago.
GL
You are being way too results oriented. Just because you happened to lose a hand doesn't mean its a blunder. It's totally fine to get stacked by a set occasionally while holding an overpair.
From what I can tell about your posted hands, you play with fear trying to control the pot with your strongest hands which usually results in you winning a small pot the times you have a big hand. Also you are burning money donking on boards where you lack the nut advantage because you are trying to control t
About that line above i heard many times from few different people, actually practice shows that no its not fine to get stacked like that, again it depends on a player, it's very hard to explain this to you but ill try:
imagine a player who never raises without set or better, every time you run into that guy with two pair you will lose 100% of times, now imagine a guy often raises with top pair and stacks off (good old days) you will win vs him more often with two pair, let me explain further:
if pool consists with small amount of players where you know who is who and what they're doing it makes sense to stack off like that vs right players but zoom micro pool is so big you rarely meet same players in those spots so pool is extremally nitty and to apply what you say is simple not gonna work in practice
if i was playing in higher stakes with narrow player pool i would totally make notes on all players and would stack off more often vs them but here its different story
also my donking is not actual anymore, im not donking often, i took advice and fixing it
I don't read anymore I just write which is why haven't really analyzed your leaks that deeply as khaynay did but he is right 100% .
Another missed value... idk these players make me so angry why they never raise when i have nutty hands
Before you guys give me an advice you should consider what kind of pool im playing in, this changes everything, they dont even value bet their top pairs, they dont want to get stacked
if i was playing in higher stakes with narrow player pool i would totally make notes on all players and would stack off more often vs them but here its different story
Why can't you make notes now? If someone does something weird / interesting / different at the table, why not make a note of it now?
Poker is a situational game and plays will have to vary based on the other player in the hand. There is rarely a "you should do X and Y 100% of the time in this spot". It does come down to reads and understanding of players at times rather than trying to rely on what GTO bot says is good.
Why can't you make notes now? If someone does something weird / interesting / different at the table, why not make a note of it now?
Poker is a situational game and plays will have to vary based on the other player in the hand. There is rarely a "you should do X and Y 100% of the time in this spot". It does come down to reads and understanding of players at times rather than trying to rely on what GTO bot says is good.
I'm making notes all the time but it's not very effective because player pool is so large i rarely face same players in similar spots
So generally i need to play according with my gameplan, right now im playing for hours and hours and i haven't stacked anyone preflop with AA/KK this is getting ridiculous and not normal
It is also possible that good portion of zoom pool on GG is bot infested maybe
We already know what type of pool ur playing in. We all beat nl10 like 10+ years ago.
U just dont listen and think ur better and smarter than everyone. I hope u go busto.
We already know what type of pool ur playing in. We all beat nl10 like 10+ years ago.
U just dont listen and think ur better and smarter than everyone. I hope u go busto.
Every year pool gets stronger and stronger this is a fact, 10 years ago it was heaven for grinders now its different reality especially on GG vs those Chinese players etc you're lucky mate haha
If u played nl10 10 years ago u would also get stuck at nl10. Because u have brain worms.
I'm making notes all the time but it's not very effective because player pool is so large i rarely face same players in similar spots
So generally i need to play according with my gameplan, right now im playing for hours and hours and i haven't stacked anyone preflop with AA/KK this is getting ridiculous and not normal
It is also possible that good portion of zoom pool on GG is bot infested maybe
You must see some regs though and get an idea whether they're 3 betting light or have had some encounters with them. Spots are never going to be identical, even against the same player. All you can do is build a profile on how you view your opponent and make a decision based on that.
It's hard to get people to commit 100bb in preflop. What hands are going to do that? AA / KK and then maybe you'll get some to commit with QQ / JJ and AK - other players may not 4bet jam these hands and want to see a flop.
As with most zoom / fast fold pools, I imagine there are a number of bots playing. It doesn't necessarily mean they are good and unbeatable though.
You must see some regs though and get an idea whether they're 3 betting light or have had some encounters with them. Spots are never going to be identical, even against the same player. All you can do is build a profile on how you view your opponent and make a decision based on that.
It's hard to get people to commit 100bb in preflop. What hands are going to do that? AA / KK and then maybe you'll get some to commit with QQ / JJ and AK - other players may not 4bet jam these hands and want to see
nah actually its so easy, my stack grows itself just taking all the dead money they give me, its unbelievable but you know what main problem is to avoid stack offs, its not easy part because zoom plays huge volumes and when we think we have good enough hand to play for our stacks actually its not and thats what hurts the most
Common spots: Preflop holding AK-QQ and someone 5bet shoves, they have us beat most of the time, postflop raises are so strong even two pairs can be folded profitably most cases, their big river bets hold strong value even our top pairs not enough to call with etc etc mainly if i manage to make good exploitative folds its super easy to beat this pool but i need to be very consistent with it
And some of the advices i get here may worked well 10 years ago but now for me its recipe for disaster
nah actually its so easy, my stack grows itself just taking all the dead money they give me, its unbelievable but you know what main problem is to avoid stack offs, its not easy part because zoom plays huge volumes and when we think we have good enough hand to play for our stacks actually its not and thats what hurts the most
Common spots: Preflop holding AK-QQ and someone 5bet shoves, they have us beat most of the time, postflop raises are so strong even two pairs can be folded profitably most c
So keep growing your stack with the dead money and avoid playing deep?
Or maybe have a look at why you're stacking off and if there were reasons to avoid it, or if they were just coolers / beats?
I do think some people on the forum (generally) have this idea that NL10 / micros are super easy because they played the games 10 years ago where people played like morons and were able to move up through the stakes easily.
The general level of poker knowledge has vastly improved over time which has trickled down to the lower stakes. There are also competent players living in poor countries making a good living playing micros with no ambitions to grind up the stakes. Of course, you get the spewy moronic fish playing in the games - as you do at higher stakes too.
So keep growing your stack with the dead money and avoid playing deep?
Or maybe have a look at why you're stacking off and if there were reasons to avoid it, or if they were just coolers / beats?
I do think some people on the forum (generally) have this idea that NL10 / micros are super easy because they played the games 10 years ago where people played like morons and were able to move up through the stakes easily.
The general level of poker knowledge has vastly improved over time which has tri
i knew every time i called preflop shove with AK/QQ i was doing wrong but i did it anyway and lost many many times, also same goes to postflop, it's not easy to be a robot when you play huge volumes of zoom, i may fold 7 times in a row but then i lose focus etc
yes majority of micro pools consists of players who actually follow fundamentals, they study etc they're making living of it too
some part of pool can be bots also and some part spewy morons but minority, this type of mix creates very harsh environment
like vs 80% i have to make super tight folds but other 20% they trying some tricks on you and pool is so large i have to meet new player every time which makes harder to exploit specific players
So keep growing your stack with the dead money and avoid playing deep?
Or maybe have a look at why you're stacking off and if there were reasons to avoid it, or if they were just coolers / beats?
I do think some people on the forum (generally) have this idea that NL10 / micros are super easy because they played the games 10 years ago where people played like morons and were able to move up through the stakes easily.
The general level of poker knowledge has vastly improved over time which has tri
All of this is true.
And...bots/RTA.
The trickiest thing I find playing micros is patience/mental game in stakes where losing 100+BI means absolutely nothing to my net worth.