$25----->25k Bankroll Challenge on Ignition
I am going to be starting with $25 in my Ignition Account and try to spin it up to $25,000.
I will start at 5nl since it is the lowest stake on the site and be playing Ignition Reg tables only.
I will be updating every 5k hands with my progress.
My expectation for each limit is as follows:
Expected Winrates for each limit:
5NL: 30bb/100
10NL: 25bb/100
25NL: 20bb/100
50NL: 15bb/100
100NL: 12bb/100
200NL: 10bb/100
Variance will be a decent factor in a lot of these winrates but these are just ball park numbers. Once I hit 25k I will take a 10buyin shot at 500nl! As far as moving up I'll move up whenever I feel like it, but probably after winning 30-40 buyins at the limit.
There will be no cherry picking here since you can't cherry pick a Bankroll Challenge. Wish me luck (or not) and follow along in this thread.
Before I get accused of anything I'm just going to chime in here and clarify that GR is not my gimmick, I only post under this account. But yes, DDP said he would crush the bots and then doubled down on calling other players weak. I don't really have a huge problem with people throwing insults at me, but I hate hypocrites. To say the bots/games are crushable and then slink off to do a 10nl challenge (to pimp out your coaching), rather than print endless stacks at 2knl is one of the biggest jokes i've ever read on this site. For his statement to be true you would also have to accept that he is happy to forgo $million's in EV just for the thrill of a 10nl BR challenge. Clearly no one of reasonable judgement would believe that so I think it is absolutely fair to question him on his claims/thought process especially when he is selling a product.
I don't make any apologies for asking these questions/pointing out the discrepancies especially when there are people reading who may be considering paying for coaching. It doesn't mean he's a bad coach or a bad player, but it does highlight some shortfalls (which I think would be fairly easy to rectify for him if he moved away from the "YoU aRe AlL jUsT hAtErS" mentality).
tldr, but everyone knows only haters use 3 or more paragraphs
He edited it so it's only 2 paragraphs now.
I do think that most BR challenges by HS regs happen when they hit a downswing and lose a significant portion of their net worth. It's a way for them to move down in stakes without having to admit they aren't perfect. Whether that happened to DooDoo is unclear.
However, I disagree with the notion that one must make at least $100k per year from poker for it to be worthwhile. At its core, poker is a fun hobby. If I wanted to work 40 hours a week and deal with the grind, I'd rather have a regular, stable job. I play poker to slack off and enjoy life.
i agree with what you wrote, but certainly someone not making enough to financially support themselves from the game should probably reconsider how amazing they are at poker before they constantly repeat to the world that they are a crusher
like his "buyin for $40 and play 1-2" thing is very likely going to be profitable, but who in their right mind who dedicates the amount of time and effort to the game wants to put in a 5 hour session hoping for a max profit of $150 if everything goes perfectly? (not to mention that in order to rathole in casinos you basically need to end the session or take a 1 hr break after any double up etc)
for someone who's undoubtedly put in hundreds (if not thousands) of hours studying the game - he is purely focused on imaginary stuff like ROI off a $40 buyin rather than what he will actually be earning by doing that
i do dfs for a living, when I restrict myself to the best situations only, my ROI is in the double digits
however, I want to make a good living so I'm forced to seek smaller edges and push them for whatever amounts i can manage - ie i put in 5k and hope to get back 5.3k that night rather just play the best contests for $50 and get back a reliable $75 each night for big ROI but only $25 profit- which is the choice he is pursuing
i could just focus on the best situations and maximising ROI, but I'm going to make 10x more money getting into marginal +EV situations for larger denominations
i see a smart kid who clearly has a strong work ethic and i'm trying to help him see the bigger picture but he's so arrogant that he thinks it's just me being a hater
Before I get accused of anything I'm just going to chime in here and clarify that GR is not my gimmick, I only post under this account.
Oh it's definitely kendoo.
There's a few things going on here and people are getting caught in the crossfire. OP has a few low-effort trolls who jump on every thread and tend to suffocate genuine poker discussion. I know for a fact this kind of thing is making good posters leave and give up. I'm mainly reacting to that.
Anything 'coach' related is fair game. Of course. But i still think studying how to max out EV at micros is a very interesting topic because it covers exploit theory in an optimally fishy/stationy environment. Besides owning the main training sites who are selling a harmful myth.
And, in fairness, if OP's target audience includes micro players then demonstrating the success of his methods only seems logical. I know the lack of serious and well-explained micro P+Es always miffed me off when i started.
What's even better is DDP has MDA that 99% don't have access to and will pose a question to his minions and then degrade you when the answer isn't right against his MDA. He isn't even trying to bounce ideas off of anyone he's just waiting for responses to be wrong so he can show superiority. Really if you don't have access to millions of hands like he does(allegedly) you're not going to learn anything from him - you can't even verify if his plays are correct or not without full access to the dat
Like others who seem to think DDP's bankroll challenge is akin to a coaching site subscription, you are distorting the purpose of the thread. He's applying MDA principles to microstakes with the odd experiment here and there. It's a challenge I find theoretically interesting because he's proposing strategy that we (that is, poker players on 2+2 or "the community" per se) might not otherwise see. Why you seem to think this is some kind of patronising scam undertaken by an egotist for "shits and giggles" is beyond me, but the net effect of your and others' alarmist posts is that we no longer get to read DPP's "free" and "communal" HHs. If I were in his position, not only would I be closing my 2+2 tab, but I'd be seeking a little informal advice about defamation law.
I have enough understanding of the law to be confident I haven't defamed anyone. I'm kind of disappointed that a 2+2 member wasn't able to execute a more convincing bluff.
lol, you wholly didn't understand my point...
please point to the legal case ddp has against anyone itt, i'll wait and make popcorn, this will be exciting to hear from such a great legal mind
PSYOP initiated.
Clearly people are becoming unhinged ITT, we even have trolls making burner accounts to post in here.
I appreciate the level headed people coming to my defense, thank you for that. The evolution of this thread is that it is now serving dual purposes, I will continue with the first purpose and document my BR challenge.
I took a shot at 25nl and it has been going well.
Two HH's that were fun.
Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD 2
Software
NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
HERO ($28.09) [VPIP: 29.5% | PFR: 24.4% | AGG: 36.6% | Flop Agg: 41.3% | Turn Agg: 33.8% | River Agg: 37.9% | 3Bet: 11.5% | 4Bet: 13.6% | Hands: 348592]
BTN ($24.65) [VPIP: 12.1% | PFR: 9.1% | AGG: 66.7% | Hands: 34]
SB ($31.06) [VPIP: 28% | PFR: 20% | AGG: 28.6% | Hands: 50]
BB ($25) [VPIP: 18.8% | PFR: 14.6% | AGG: 18.2% | Flop Agg: 25% | Turn Agg: 0% | River Agg: 33.3% | 3Bet: 0% | 4Bet: 0% | Cold Call: 10.5% | Hands: 50]
UTG ($25) [VPIP: 24.3% | PFR: 21.6% | AGG: 33.3% | Hands: 39]
HJ ($25) [VPIP: 26.7% | PFR: 23.3% | AGG: 16.7% | Hands: 30]
Dealt to Hero: 7♦ 9♦
UTG Folds, HJ Folds, HERO Raises To $0.63, BTN Folds, SB Folds, BB Calls $0.38
Hero SPR on Flop: [17.92 effective]
Flop ($1.36): 7♣ 8♣ Q♦
BB Checks, HERO Checks
Turn ($1.36): 7♣ 8♣ Q♦ Q♥
BB Checks, HERO Checks
River ($1.36): 7♣ 8♣ Q♦ Q♥ 8♠
BB Checks, HERO Bets $0.98 (Rem. Stack: $26.48), BB Raises To $3.11 (Rem. Stack: $21.26), HERO Raises To $5.24 (Rem. Stack: $22.22), BB Folds
Spoiler
HERO wins: $7.21
Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD 2
SoftwareNL Holdem 0.25(BB)
HERO ($26.02) [VPIP: 29.5% | PFR: 24.4% | AGG: 36.6% | Flop Agg: 41.3% | Turn Agg: 33.8% | River Agg: 37.9% | 3Bet: 11.5% | Fold to 3Bet: 60% | 4Bet: 13.6% | Hands: 348592]
SB ($7.74) [VPIP: 62.2% | PFR: 8.1% | AGG: 15.4% | Hands: 37]
BB ($32.49) [VPIP: 28.6% | PFR: 26.2% | AGG: 56.3% | Hands: 43]
UTG ($28.84) [VPIP: 5.9% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | Hands: 19]
HJ ($52.04) [VPIP: 39.4% | PFR: 33.3% | AGG: 20% | Flop Agg: 10% | Turn Agg: 28.6% | River Agg: 60% | 3Bet: 11.1% | 4Bet: 33.3% | Hands: 33]
CO ($26.69) [VPIP: 33.3% | PFR: 28.6% | AGG: 31.8% | Hands: 43]
Dealt to Hero: A♥ 9♥
UTG Folds, HJ Raises To $0.53, CO Folds, HERO Raises To $1.85, SB Folds, BB Folds, HJ Calls $1.32
Hero SPR on Flop: [5.97 effective]
Flop ($4.05): 6♦ Q♠ 9♣
HJ Checks, HERO Bets $1.27 (Rem. Stack: $22.90), HJ Calls $1.27 (Rem. Stack: $48.92)
Turn ($6.59): 6♦ Q♠ 9♣ 5♦
HJ Checks, HERO Checks
River ($6.59): 6♦ Q♠ 9♣ 5♦ 4♣
HJ Checks, HERO Bets $2.07 (Rem. Stack: $20.83), HJ Raises To $48.92 (allin), HERO Calls $20.83 (allin)
Spoiler
HJ shows: 7♥ 6♥
HERO wins: $50.39
This thread is quite the read. Entertaining and depresssing in equal measure.
OP, I would suggest that if you look beyond many of the needlessly hateful comments and over the top trolling you will find some useful constructive criticism that has been made in good faith. As a completely neutral observer who has never interacted with you, I have seen many of the comments you have made in this forum and in my opinion you do often come across as arrogant, condescending, and elitist. I appreciate that often intent is lost in communication, but on a forum such as this communication is all you have, and that is something it pays to be mindful of.
In a single comment in this thread, you implied that the OP was lying about their poker results while agreeing with a post saying that 200NL is not midstakes and that playing microstakes is a monumental waste of time when you can beat higher stakes. All without provocation as far as I could see.
Seems like a monumental waste of time. If you're truly beating mid stakes you're wasting time and potential hourly to accomplish what exactly? Just to point out, 100-200 is small stakes, not mid stakes. I think I'll assume you aren't truly beating mid stakes if you are calling 1 tabling micros semi retirement.
GL though OP I unfortunately lost some brain cells reading this thread.
+1
If you are as good at poker as OP is claiming you wouldn't even ask this question because you would know the answer
In this thread you lecture people about jumping into your own thread and being rude to you (often with provocation from what I can see), while claiming completely opposite stances on the categorisation of 200NL and the value of playing microstakes.
When you comunicate like this, it shouldn't be a surprise when people label you a hypocrite, doubt the sincerity of your claims, or feel that you are fair game for some criticism.
If you would allow me for a moment the hubris to think that I could teach you a valuable life lesson, I would say this: When it feels like it's you against the world it's often a good idea to contemplate whether it is more likely that everyone else is wrong or that you are.
I would be remiss if I ended this post without saying that I hope you're doing ok. Regardless of how mentally resilient you are, dealing with many of the needlessly spiteful comments in this thread must be tough. Sadly there will always be people out there who'll feel the need to create a burner account and use it to **** all over someone else with little reason other than it's the only way they can feel good about themselves.
PSYOP initiated.
I appreciate the level headed people coming to my defense, thank you for that.
This here is exactly the problem with you. So only people that agreed with you and are on your side have valid points, how convenient.
It's the same way you carry yourself in a lot of HH discussions
Like others who seem to think DDP's bankroll challenge is akin to a coaching site subscription, you are distorting the purpose of the thread. He's applying MDA principles to microstakes with the odd experiment here and there. It's a challenge I find theoretically interesting because he's proposing strategy that we (that is, poker players on 2+2 or "the community" per se) might not otherwise see. Why you seem to think this is some kind of patronising scam undertaken by an egotist for "shits and g
The fact that you mention DDP seeking legal advice for the comments in this thread just show how detached you are with reality and you most likely live in your parents basement as well as some of the other defenders here. Who defends a guy who talks down to people constantly and thinks he's god's gift to poker? I find his posts interesting too but after a while you have to call a clown a clown.
My tea's gone cold, I'm wondering why ...
This thread is a public service to all the struggling microstakes/small stakes players. I am giving you free advice with results/data to back up my plays.
The dissenters have done a very good job of exposing themselves in the comments directed at me. There are no shortage of virtue signalers on the forum with nothing more to offer than a negative comment or two. If all someone has to offer is negativity then the mature thing would be to say nothing, this is what the detractors fail to understand. By attacking me you only expose yourself, so I will continue to let them exploit themselves by doubling down and finishing this challenge.
20k hand update coming soon.
Cheers
As a first timer reading through it all why not adress? there are few very polite ones which were genuine at least in my eyes
From my part I will take everything negative I said towards OP back, forget forum history for now and focus on the challenge and evaluate it at its own merits. If he succeeds (the crushing winrates posted in the beginning), it's likely that both his data and his exploits are legit, I would consider taking his coaching, at least a few sessions.
Regardless of the validity of anything I ever posted ITT, it's not my business. My apologies.
GL
This thread is quite the read. Entertaining and depresssing in equal measure.
OP, I would suggest that if you look beyond many of the needlessly hateful comments and over the top trolling you will find some useful constructive criticism that has been made in good faith. As a completely neutral observer who has never interacted with you, I have seen many of the comments you have made in this forum and in my opinion you do often come across as arrogant, condescending, and elitist. I appreciate that
Don't talk facts with him - he's lied, contradicted himself multiple times, talks down to people incessantly - hell even in his coaching thread some of his students are having problems with him. He calls all of us "toxic" who point these things out - almost like a drug addict who's in another reality. Hope he gets well in life at some point - I think professional help would do him wonders.
This thread is a public service to all the struggling microstakes/small stakes players.
Yikes, I’ve defended you a bit but you seem really out of touch with the feedback you’re receiving. A lot of ppl reading this aren’t struggling microstakes players and nobody wants to be categorized that way anyway.
Yikes, I’ve defended you a bit but you seem really out of touch with the feedback you’re receiving. A lot of ppl reading this aren’t struggling microstakes players and nobody wants to be categorized that way anyway.
Most people reading this PGC are struggling microstakes players, there is just selection bias ITT.
The people commenting/responding are going to be better on average because they have made it a point to be.
This is a random snap shot of guests vs members, the overwhelming majority are guests and most guests are going to be less experienced than members.
Some valid criticism and some OOL stuff being said ITT but if you are looking to provide a coaching service would you not want to take a look at all advice given to you and go through each thing and see what you can learn from?
If a coach is showing to be too stubborn to learn and adapt to advice given by multiple people who play higher stakes isn't a good look imo.
