Humanities last hope against the machine...and cheats: 500NL+ grizzy
My plan: Grind 500nl and 1k on ignition for the next month and try to shot 2k in September.
Bots, Colluders and RTA users...times are tough in the online streets. I come here to the PGC thread to give hope to the honest grinders out there, putting in their honest volume trying to make an honest living in hopes that this game won't die and that others won't go down the cheating path. Ignition is riddled with RTA users and bots and, prior to now, the games were so incredibly good.
You're probably thinking well, if the site has gotten so many cheats and bots how could it possibly be so beatable? Well, 90% of my EV came from the bots, they had some very clear exploits that were free EV (look at the HH's below), and given that they were infact bot accounts you could hammer away at these exploits with impunity. Now though as of July, the bots have greatly improved and the exploits vs' them are more subtle so I thought **** it, I'll document this journey against this bot/cheat infested landscape because I'm sure there would be many curious about my journey. I'll be posting some HH's and am open to strat discussion but won't give too much away vs bots.
HH's vs the old bots...good times:
Graph/stake brakedown @ iggy so far
Will be uploading some interesting HH's as they come and graphs 2x a week. Will be travelling/seeing family tomorrow so won't get too much volume in this week.
Could you please explain how you find out and what exactly are the exploits? Nice thread! Following ! GLGL
Could you please explain how you find out and what exactly are the exploits? Nice thread! Following ! GLGL
On ignition all holecards are viewable 24 hrs after a hand is played so you can see how everyone plays. With the above HH's vs the bots they were 3b +folding too much BvB where you could profitably RFI any2 cards from the SB to 4bet them vs 3bet. Finding these exploits is quite simple when you see hole cards after, you see them 3bet J2o BvB every opportunity (and then 3bet fold a hand like K9s) and deduce that there overall frequency is probably 70% 3bet BvB + they overfold even their stronger linear combos so 4betting became ridiculously profitable (over this sample my positional winrate from the sb in 6max was 3evbb due to this simple exploit).
nice catch, I’m guessing they’re going to fix this soon though
I think it has been fixed but is a great find.
OP best of luck with the thread. Did you have much luck breaking down their donking strategy out of the blinds in srp? (won't ask you to share, just interested if you had much joy)
It has indeed been fixed.
R.e bot donking strategy, alot more blended together, lots of merges, lots of nuts with some bluffs sprinkled in. Exploits there are more nuanced and come vs their checking ranges on identical spots/future streets.
Lol you´re a sicko. Nice one!
Beast! Subbed and GL
Do you think anonymous poker is still a good idea nowadays given the site wasn't completely incompetent/negligent?
Beast! Subbed and GL
Do you think anonymous poker is still a good idea nowadays given the site wasn't completely incompetent/negligent?
Definitely not a good idea in the current cheating/botting landscape. I play on iggy because my PVI on GG became beyond abysmal (something like 10% rb at the highest tier that they offer) but also I find that the hole card information that we get 1 day later is extremely enlightening and has vastly helped my game. Will probably look to grind some 1k/2k at acr at some point but for now I think my EV at ignition is good enough.
Fun thread, whats the time frame for your recent sample and how many bots is it on average right now per table? Have you recieved any refunds this year at all?
Best of luck, fortunate that i didnt end up betting against you.
Fun thread, whats the time frame for your recent sample and how many bots is it on average right now per table? Have you recieved any refunds this year at all?
Best of luck, fortunate that i didnt end up betting against you.
This is since I've been grinding on iggy which is I believe is the last 2 weeks or so of April and most of June (didn't play at all during May)
Usually 1 bot per table sometimes 2 but it gets hard to tell at times because you get some crafty fake-bot regs.
0 refunds, no emails however I don't report the bots or colluders.
Also @ggbruce at the time I offered you the bet u were drawing mega dead the bots were full ****** and I feel guilt that I didn't put in a single hand during May.
It's hard to know if they're fake bots or not. My first impression was the same as yours but I'm starting to wonder if they're part of the same group. If we're talking about the same accounts (super passive pre for X hands then suddenly changing strategy) they do a bunch of things the same as the bots in regards to high donk % from the blinds as well as multiple open sizes. It's so hard to really know.
It's hard to know if they're fake bots or not. My first impression was the same as yours but I'm starting to wonder if they're part of the same group. If we're talking about the same accounts (super passive pre for X hands then suddenly changing strategy) they do a bunch of things the same as the bots in regards to high donk % from the blinds as well as multiple open sizes. It's so hard to really know.
Definitely hard to distinguish bots/fake bots. I am certain though that there is a class of fakebotreg/bots that end up getting partially operated by humans due to timings and differing range constructions that happen sporadically, it is funny though when I run into a fake bot that tricks me and makes me spew.
I am pretty sure the bot creators are probably skimming through here. Wouldnt share too much.
Couldnt play today, only played 1k hands yesterday due to packing/travelling. Some interesting HH's
This one IP had 33 and was running 61/32 over 32 hands somehow finds the river fold vs J3
Sometimes you own yourself
And sometimes you need to hold on and be strong
Set up properly at new grind station, can get some good volume in starting from tomorrow
Cool thread will be following.
What made you call down w/ the 77 on the worst run out?
it is the classic overbluffed runout by regs or at least turn K river brick is overbluffed, not sure about turn K river A
This call really comes down to preflop 3b frequency sb vs btn (going to vary greatly from reg to reg in ignition). Some 3bet 13-15, others closer to 20. This + flop split and turn split all lead to the station (how does he play his Ax OTF, how polar is his turn range for the size). Add it all up and you get a broken fold button with 77
Fairly certain the bots do/used to do this a lot when they are the 3 bettor and block a good part of hero calling range/super nutted on rivers. With a spr of roughly 1 they bet 75% pot, it's very noticeable in spots you would expect an "average" player to be jamming almost always. It took me longer than I care admit to notice what they were doing, always shown an extremely strong range from them (I don't think I once caught a bluff, but there river jams definitely had bluffs in them).
pics of the setup plz
This call really comes down to preflop 3b frequency sb vs btn (going to vary greatly from reg to reg in ignition). Some 3bet 13-15, others closer to 20. This + flop split and turn split all lead to the station (how does he play his Ax OTF, how polar is his turn range for the size). Add it all up and you get a broken fold button with 77
Pretty cool appreciate the insight.