A -$20K epiphany
With the week I've had it only feels natural to follow the beaten path of starting a goal(s) thread.
Like many of you I learned the game as a university student, playing what were effectively $20 SNGs in our dorm rooms, arguing over whether KA234 was a straight and whether a flush OTB was a chop if someone was holding a 6th flush card. Good times.
I quickly became the "crusher" of the group - don't take this as hubris, I barely knew what I was doing - and had enough confidence to download PokerStars and start playing cash there. What followed was equally standard: depositing $20-$100 at a time, busting it in a few weeks, rinse and repeat. After some months I grew bored of the regular losses and moved to a far more respectable form of gambling - sports. (In hindsight I'm not sure I ever truly enjoyed sports betting, but the social aspect combined with semi-regular victories kept me in it for longer than it should have).
Some years go by and I start working a summer internship of the highest calibre - I was tasked with reorganizing 40 years of archived documents for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week. Truly stimulating stuff. Around this time an old degenerate friend of mine introduced me to GGpoker, and after seeing all the great welcome bonuses they offered I gave it a spin.
My initial $100 deposit coupled with numerous daily bonuses and rake back kept me appeased for a while, and if I recall correctly I only redeposited once or twice over that summer. Again it must've been some serious run good considering that at the time I did not know what a pre-flop chart was.
Cue returning to University and forgetting poker yet again. Two years go by and I start graduate school, resulting in me moving to a new city with lots of free time but little places to spend it. GGpoker finds its way back in my mind, and I start playing (read: losing) semi-regularly.
At this point I'm probably lifetime down a few hundred dollars, certainly less than a grand. I start watching poker youtube and studying preflop until I become comfortable without the charts.
By now my IRL friends are for the most part not interested in poker, and so I have hardly anyone to talk to about my game. As a relatively broke student I can't afford - more accurately, refuse to invest in - any software like GTOwiz or PIO, and so my "study" involves watching youtube, reviewing/reading HH on reddit, and using my one free solution per day on my worst beats (brilliant, I know).
Eventually I decide to "take poker seriously" and deposit $500 to play 100NL - yes, I had it in my head that 5BI was safe BRM. I (un)fortunately run hot and built it up to $1k in a relatively short period, a disaster situation for a naive fish with an addictive personality. To make a long story short, this early run good naturally results in a false confidence that carried over for some 8 months now, costing me nearly $13k. Most of the loss comes from my god awful mental game - exacerbated by my financial position making me extremely sensitive to losses/bad beats. I've a habit of playing until the game breaks or until I go broke, which rarely results in realizing profits. I then quit online and started playing live after reading about how soft live 1/3 can be (which I found to be true).
Onto this week. Coming off a good week of sun running & playing good, I'm up ~$1500 across 15 hours at live 1/3. At this point I have around $4k to my name minus a $3k credit card bill, and I decide it's only reasonable to keep running it up.
Monday morning I join a new private 1/2 game and want to give action, resulting in a spew of $1K in less than 2 hours.
Monday night I play my regular private game and run $500 up to $1400, bleed down to ~$900 thanks to winners tilt, then lose it all in a 70/30 flip after hero calling with A high on the turn vs T-high OESD - we run it twice and he binks both rivers. I end monday -$1640.
Tuesday I decide to reenter the world of online poker after only playing live the for the past 4 months. (Narrator here: what were you thinking?). By Wednesday I lose my $400 deposit playing 100NL (yes, again, no BRM) to two bad beats (running AK into KK and getting 2-outered by a maniac) and one big punt (calling a turn 10x overjam with TP nut flush draw). -$2040 now.
Wednesday I'm on tilt and know that I need to make some back to cover the CC bill at the end of the month. I head to my regular private game with the intention of nitting it up. Instead I spew $500 early - but fortunately double up shortly thereafter with top boat vs trips. I cruise the rest of the night until the game breaks, leaving with a loss of $125. (Side note, I went from up $150 to down $125 on the last 3 hands of the night - all of which were DB PLO BP. On the 2nd last hand I called a river repot after misreading one of the boards and got scooped. It was 3 AM, I was exhausted. Sue me). Now -$2165 in 3 days.
Which brings us to last night. I've got $1200 in cash and looming credit card bill, a nasty combination. Given all the pressure to perform, I unsurprisingly play poorly - I bluffed into the nuts twice, and lost two big ones that were arguably coolers (check my other thread for those hands, you can guess the results). In a mere 2 hour session I lost 2 BI plus session fees for a total of -$1045 on the night, -$3210 on the week, -$20K on poker (online + live) lifetime.
So here I am, in $3k debt with a part time job that earns me half that a month.
I know it's time to give up the game for a while and just put my head down and get out of this hole. Still considering whether to come clean to family about the debt or just pick up a second job and struggle through it for the next couple months. Regardless, I'm saying goodbye to poker for now, focusing on my career/grad school, and won't be back until I can save up a bankroll for micro stakes + a solver subscription.
I read Linus' thread on here from 2013 along with some others last night until like 5AM and they really inspired me to respect the game, the grind, and the money. Part of my problem is mental game, but another part is that I didn't like playing for insignificant amounts of money. I've come to realize that in order for anyone to be profitable at decent stakes, they need to respect the dollar and respect the game. I can't expect to win at 1/3 or 100NL+ if I don't have the discipline to grind out 5NL for 100K+ hands and prove I can beat it. Learning is costly when you're playing for hundreds of dollars - but it doesn't need to be.
To keep us on topic, here are my long-term goals:
1. Get out of debt
2. Prioritize mental game and finish reading Jared Tendler's book
3. Save up $200 to play 2NL for 100K hands
4. Beat 2NL at 3bb/100+
5. Set a schedule for study and for play
6. Earn back my $20K
GL comrades 😀
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GL with the grind, link to Linus' thread?
Deeepz: Moving up to 50NL and moving out in 2014 [6max]
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Update #1
As you can imagine my mental was horrible when I made this post. I said I was leaving the game behind for a while - which I fully intended to do when I woke up the following morning.
But when I got up the next day and checked my GG account to run the daily freebie SnG, I noticed I had won $15 from leaderboard the day before... so I decided to use that to start my 2NL journey.
It started off pretty rocky and after a few hours I was down to ~$3. I decided to say **** it and play some PLO4. I happened to end up on a god table and quickly ran up a massive 1.3k bb stack. This was obviously huge for my challenge and mental.
From there my 2NL grind really took off and I haven't looked back since. It's now been 11 days since I posted and here is my pre-rake graph at 2NL (plus some shots at 5NL over the past 2 days):

Day 11 BR: $105.76
Next goals:
- Hit $200 and start taking shots at 10NL
- Hit $340 and purchase PT4
- Read Mental game of poker
Going on a 2.5 week vacation in 2 days so won't be able to grind for a while :( excited but sad because I don't want to kill this momentum... might try 2NL on coin while I'm away as I have a some money on there still
GL everyone!
You pretty much failed on your first day wp 😃
I can't expect to win at 1/3 or 100NL+ if I don't have the discipline to grind out 5NL for 100K+ hands and prove I can beat it. Learning is costly when you're playing for hundreds of dollars - but it doesn't need to be.
To keep us on topic, here are my long-term goals:
1. Get out of debt
2. Prioritize mental game and finish reading Jared Tendler's book
3. Save up $200 to play 2NL for 100K hands
4. Beat 2NL at 3bb/100+
I decided to say **** it and play some PLO4.
Next goals:
- Play 10K hands at 5NL
- Hit $200 BR and take shots at 10NL
Reads like a horror story, i really hope you grew up as a player (usually it’s hard and takes a lot more horror stories to acquire good BRM habits) gl mate
Update #2
Got back from vacation on Sunday. After my last update I played a bit more 5NL and got the BR up to somewhere around $120 before taking my 2.5 week break. (Played 1/2 in Berlin and 1/3 in Vienna on vacay and won just over €800 so pretty sweet trip haha). With 24 BI at 5NL I've stopped playing 2NL, now 4tabling 5NL only.
Also realized the graph I posted above was actually not my 2NL graph, it was all stakes (so 2NL & 5NL). My bad. Here is my (hopefully) final 2NL graph after 13K hands:

So my pre-rake & pre-rakeback win rate at 2NL was ~17bb/100.
Have played around 20 hours /8k hands of 5NL now and things are going FANTASTIC. The pool feels similar to 2NL only they have more money 😀 definitely running hot (even tho I'm running below AIEV lol) but feel like I'm playing good and making meta adjustments in spots that I used to overcall/overfold. Somewhat worried that playing against all these fish is not beneficial to my game since I'm getting less training against skilled players, but we'll see what happens when I move to 10NL. On the other hand, I'm starting to appreciate more and more that part of being a winning player is picking your opponents - people always talk about how important game selection is, but I always felt like winning against fish gives false confidence and so would always think in the back of my mind that I'm not actually good just playing bad players. I'm starting to think this is a bad perspective to have and it's actually okay and even smart to prioritize playing pots with weaker players. I just think about something Negreanu said about how being the 9th best player in the world is only good if you aren't sitting at a table with the other 8... very true.
I have been mixing 1 10NL table if it's super juicy but trying my best to be disciplined at 5NL until I have at least 20 BI for the next stake.
Anyway, here is my 5NL graph after 8.6k hands:

So my pre-rake and pre-rakeback win rate at 5NL so far is 40bb/100...
Hopefully I can keep this up but not expecting to obviously LOL
BR: $180.15
WILL UPDATE NEXT WEEK! GL EVERYONE
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Reads like an early stage of gambling addiction. Be careful (honestly, if you are trying to get out of debt by playing poker, you should quit before you're too deep). Best of luck either way.
Update #3
Got lazy with posting on here but it's been a good 2ish weeks boys
Hit 2 BBJs (one on NLHE, had winning hand; other on PLO, table share) and have been playing and running good
here's the pre-rake &pre-rakeback graph after 50K hands;

mainly playing 25NL now with the odd shot at 50NL if there's a juicy table
figured out my edge comes from table selection, intuitive MDA & player-specific exploits, which is especially profitable in my geofenced pool.
Been playing some PLO with mixed (though profitable) results so that P/L isn't captured here
BR: $987.33 + ~$250 in unclaimed rakeback
#LFG
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Gl COMRADE
Update #4
Had a terrible week last week but brought it back this week
BR was down to $875 last Monday, today we're at $1,691
Here's my 7-day graph (all played at 25NL):

And here's the overall graph since April 12th when I started this challenge:

Hoping to hit $2k BR this week and start shotting 50NL seriously
GL COMRADES