$25----->25k Bankroll Challenge on Ignition
I am going to be starting with $25 in my Ignition Account and try to spin it up to $25,000.
I will start at 5nl since it is the lowest stake on the site and be playing Ignition Reg tables only.
I will be updating every 5k hands with my progress.
My expectation for each limit is as follows:
Expected Winrates for each limit:
5NL: 30bb/100
10NL: 25bb/100
25NL: 20bb/100
50NL: 15bb/100
100NL: 12bb/100
200NL: 10bb/100
Variance will be a decent factor in a lot of these winrates but these are just ball park numbers. Once I hit 25k I will take a 10buyin shot at 500nl! As far as moving up I'll move up whenever I feel like it, but probably after winning 30-40 buyins at the limit.
There will be no cherry picking here since you can't cherry pick a Bankroll Challenge. Wish me luck (or not) and follow along in this thread.
I learned a new spot.
Non intuitive turn barrel here. You need to double barrel 77 at 100% frequency! EV difference is almost 2bb/100.
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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
HERO ($30.05) [VPIP: 28% | PFR: 23.4% | AGG: 38.4% | Flop Agg: 41.3% | Turn Agg: 35.4% | River Agg: 41.5% | 3Bet: 10.5% | Fold to 3Bet: 56.9% | 4Bet: 12% | Hands: 120224]
SB ($25) [VPIP: 21.5% | PFR: 17.7% | AGG: 25.8% | Hands: 1317]
BB ($20.14) [VPIP: 18.2% | PFR: 18.2% | AGG: 33.3% | Hands: 11]
UTG ($29.89) [VPIP: 20.1% | PFR: 14.6% | AGG: 35.6% | Hands: 330]
HJ ($21.38) [VPIP: 19.1% | PFR: 15.6% | AGG: 32.2% | Hands: 991]
CO ($68.50) [VPIP: 27.4% | PFR: 18.8% | AGG: 33.9% | Flop Agg: 37.5% | Turn Agg: 44.1% | River Agg: 15% | 3Bet: 6.9% | 4Bet: 0% | Hands: 298]
Dealt to Hero: 7♣ 7♠
UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Raises To $0.62, HERO Raises To $1.81, SB Folds, BB Folds, CO Calls $1.19
Hero SPR on Flop: [7.11 effective]
Flop ($5.97): J♣ 2♥ 5♦
CO Checks, HERO Bets $1.99 (Rem. Stack: $26.25), CO Calls $1.99 (Rem. Stack: $65.40)
Turn ($6.55): J♣ 2♥ 5♦ 4♠
CO Checks, HERO ?
I think the common play here is to X back and try to go to showdown but we need bluffs on 3x rivers. We also get value from worse pairs like A4s/A5s and 33/66.
Hand #2. This illustrates the same theme except it's reversed. Instead of unblocking 0EV hands we now block 0EV hands. So even though we have an OESD we now take the pure action of 100% check because we block 0EV hands of 88/77.
SBvsBB3BET T95r flop - We B50 OTF, SB calls. Turn is off suit deuce. 87s is 100% checked.
It's counter intuitive if you only think about your equity in the hand but it becomes more natural to check when you start thinking about your opponent's range and what hands we are
I assume it's also because we don't want to get blasted off our equity by a check-raise.
J8o is also high frequency check, while hands like Q8/K7/A7 are high frequency bets even though they block the hands you mentioned.
QJ is a high frequency check, while KJ/KQ/AJ/AQ are high frequency bets.
I assume it's also because we don't want to get blasted off our equity by a check-raise.
J8o is also high frequency check, while hands like Q8/K7/A7 are high frequency bets even though they block the hands you mentioned.
QJ is a high frequency check, while KJ/KQ/AJ/AQ are high frequency bets.
Makes sense to me.
I will say I think double blocking or blocking 6 combos instead of 3 combos of 0EV hands means a lot more since ranges are getting tight after our B50 OTF.
Overbluffed
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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
BTN ($25.58) [VPIP: 23.2% | PFR: 19.9% | AGG: 24.4% | Hands: 730]
SB ($25) [VPIP: 25.9% | PFR: 19.7% | AGG: 31.3% | Flop Agg: 40.6% | Turn Agg: 14.3% | River Agg: 35.7% | 3Bet: 9% | Fold to 3Bet: 40% | 4Bet: 0% | Hands: 197]
BB ($63.96) [VPIP: 25.3% | PFR: 17.2% | AGG: 42.2% | Hands: 768]
UTG ($31.45) [VPIP: 16.8% | PFR: 10.7% | AGG: 19% | Hands: 200]
HJ ($57.18) [VPIP: 10% | PFR: 10% | AGG: 0% | Hands: 10]
HERO ($35.08) [VPIP: 28% | PFR: 23.4% | AGG: 38.4% | Flop Agg: 41.3% | Turn Agg: 35.4% | River Agg: 41.5% | 3Bet: 10.5% | 4Bet: 12% | Hands: 120852]
Dealt to Hero: 5♥ 5♦
UTG Folds, HJ Folds, HERO Raises To $0.50, BTN Folds, SB Raises To $2.50, BB Folds, HERO Calls $2
Hero SPR on Flop: [4.29 effective]
Flop ($5.25): J♠ 4♦ 6♦
SB Bets $2.99 (Rem. Stack: $19.51), HERO Calls $2.99 (Rem. Stack: $29.59)
Turn ($11.23): J♠ 4♦ 6♦ 8♦
SB Checks, HERO Checks
River ($11.23): J♠ 4♦ 6♦ 8♦ 4♠
SB Bets $19.51 (allin), HERO Calls $19.51 (Rem. Stack: $10.08)
Important note here for 2tone flops with 4 flush runouts.
Versus 3BP OOP PFR B-X-B = Overbluffed
Versus 3BP OOP PFR X-B-B = Underbluffed
the 55 hand vs 5x 3-bet i tend to play very little call. I think calling co vs sb 5x size particularly not the best.
i think river call depends really most part on his range construction since turn you might well be right that this particular spot is easy to over-bluff OTR.
he needs to be playing advanced way to have enough value for his line and playing the turn checking range is very tricky. One of the spots where you want to probably fast-play OOP bcz IP doesn't bluff turn enough on avg. for you to be willing to slowplay that much. But tripple barrel range is very tricky bcz Jx blocks the main call down range and value combos are obviously limited so without looking at sim I would say that OOP needs to play the turn and river pretty chilled like assume 22-25% turn cbet freq. and the river play is just low freq. even if you have diamond combos like you could bluff 1/4 of the time or something with those, hah - depending of course how you barrel the turn. Might be river is just bluffs to some players in this line.
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sb vs co big size 3-b nl50 GG rake (not sure how accurate but probably closest to 25nl rake) low pairs are marginally there but you have to go really tight
nl50 - normal rake just more 4-bet and even less call. Interestingly the GG preflop-rake forces a lower 3-bet freq. and lower 4-bet freq. which means there is more calling ranges in generally speaking even you would not want to call there either because of rake, lol .
MDA nuance that I still mess up but slowly getting better at.
This is a fold
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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
BTN ($27.31) [VPIP: 23.4% | PFR: 21.7% | AGG: 34% | Hands: 238]
SB ($36.11) [VPIP: 18.6% | PFR: 12.8% | AGG: 25.5% | Hands: 446]
BB ($30) [VPIP: 24.1% | PFR: 20.2% | AGG: 39.7% | Flop Agg: 40.1% | Turn Agg: 43.7% | River Agg: 37.5% | 3Bet: 11.2% | Fold to 3Bet: 65.5% | 4Bet: 14% | Hands: 1691]
UTG ($55.87) [VPIP: 28.3% | PFR: 19.2% | AGG: 32.6% | Hands: 318]
HJ ($22.39) [VPIP: 22.1% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 29.6% | Hands: 200]
HERO ($29.99) [VPIP: 28% | PFR: 23.4% | AGG: 38.4% | Flop Agg: 41.2% | Turn Agg: 35.4% | River Agg: 41.5% | 3Bet: 10.5% | 4Bet: 12% | Hands: 121214]
Dealt to Hero: T♥ K♥
UTG Folds, HJ Folds, HERO Raises To $0.50, BTN Folds, SB Folds, BB Raises To $2.75, HERO Calls $2.25
Hero SPR on Flop: [4.86 effective]
Flop ($5.60): Q♦ T♣ 3♣
BB Bets $3 (Rem. Stack: $24.25), HERO Calls $3 (Rem. Stack: $24.24)
Turn ($11.60): Q♦ T♣ 3♣ 4♦
BB Checks, HERO Checks
River ($11.60): Q♦ T♣ 3♣ 4♦ 4♠
BB Bets $10.50 (Rem. Stack: $13.75), HERO ?
This is a call
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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
BTN ($27.31) [VPIP: 23.4% | PFR: 21.7% | AGG: 34% | Hands: 238]
SB ($36.11) [VPIP: 18.6% | PFR: 12.8% | AGG: 25.5% | Hands: 446]
BB ($30) [VPIP: 24.1% | PFR: 20.2% | AGG: 39.7% | Flop Agg: 40.1% | Turn Agg: 43.7% | River Agg: 37.5% | 3Bet: 11.2% | Fold to 3Bet: 65.5% | 4Bet: 14% | Hands: 1691]
UTG ($55.87) [VPIP: 28.3% | PFR: 19.2% | AGG: 32.6% | Hands: 318]
HJ ($22.39) [VPIP: 22.1% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 29.6% | Hands: 200]
HERO ($29.99) [VPIP: 28% | PFR: 23.4% | AGG: 38.4% | Flop Agg: 41.2% | Turn Agg: 35.4% | River Agg: 41.5% | 3Bet: 10.5% | 4Bet: 12% | Hands: 121214]
Dealt to Hero: T♥ K♥
UTG Folds, HJ Folds, HERO Raises To $0.50, BTN Folds, SB Folds, BB Raises To $2.75, HERO Calls $2.25
Hero SPR on Flop: [4.86 effective]
Flop ($5.60): Q♦ T♣ 3♣
BB Bets $3 (Rem. Stack: $24.25), HERO Calls $3 (Rem. Stack: $24.24)
Turn ($11.60): Q♦ T♣ 3♣ 4♦
BB Checks, HERO Checks
River ($11.60): Q♦ T♣ 3♣ 4♦ 4♠
BB Bets $24.25 All In, HERO ?
MDA nuance that I still mess up but slowly getting better at.
This is a fold
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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
BTN ($27.31) [VPIP: 23.4% | PFR: 21.7% | AGG: 34% | Hands: 238]
SB ($36.11) [VPIP: 18.6% | PFR: 12.8% | AGG: 25.5% | Hands: 446]
BB ($30) [VPIP: 24.1% | PFR: 20.2% | AGG: 39.7% | Flop Agg: 40.1% | Turn Agg: 43.7% | River Agg: 37.5% | 3Bet: 11.2% | Fold to 3Bet: 65.5% | 4Bet: 14% | Hands: 1691]
UTG ($55.87) [VPIP: 28.3
I don't get it.
So you folded to the $10 RIVER bet but called the All-In RIVER bet?
Fish overbluff in XR-B-B so we always call here even if he goes bigger OTR.
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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
CO ($25) [VPIP: 16.7% | PFR: 12.5% | AGG: 21.4% | Hands: 25]
HERO ($24) [VPIP: 28% | PFR: 23.4% | AGG: 38.3% | Flop Agg: 41.2% | Turn Agg: 35.5% | River Agg: 41.6% | 3Bet: 10.5% | 4Bet: 12% | Hands: 122025]
SB ($45.02) [VPIP: 17.5% | PFR: 12.7% | AGG: 33.3% | Hands: 66]
BB ($10) [VPIP: 27.7% | PFR: 12.5% | AGG: 39.4% | Flop Agg: 37.9% | Turn Agg: 45% | River Agg: 42.9% | 3Bet: 6.7% | 4Bet: 0% | Cold Call: 34% | Hands: 116]
Dealt to Hero: 9♥ Q♦
CO Folds, HERO Raises To $0.60, SB Folds, BB Calls $0.35
Hero SPR on Flop: [7.23 effective]
Flop ($1.30): Q♠ 2♦ 4♠
BB Checks, HERO Bets $0.32 (Rem. Stack: $23.08), BB Raises To $1.26 (Rem. Stack: $8.14), HERO Calls $0.94 (Rem. Stack: $22.14)
Turn ($3.82): Q♠ 2♦ 4♠ A♥
BB Bets $1.81 (Rem. Stack: $6.33), HERO Calls $1.81 (Rem. Stack: $20.33)
River ($7.44): Q♠ 2♦ 4♠ A♥ 7♠
BB Bets $3.53 (Rem. Stack: $2.80), HERO Calls $3.53 (Rem. Stack: $16.80)
Looks like sample size for B210 is <600 bets, and probably 120-150 of those saw a showdown
You get that from 1% of around 59000 right?
You understand Hand2Note better than me but we see the same trend for BlindsvsBU so I think the B-X-OB Jam is overbluffed.
Here is BlindsvsBU.
Now it's over 1000 hand sample for B210 plus the BlindsvCO sample.
Another spot I've been thinking about.
Solver mixes the Gutshot BW's here but I think population won't do this as well as a solver and can't resist calling to stack 2pair/sets.
Solver also mixes weaker Ax here and I think population will pure call it or at least call it more often than a solver.
So with these assumptions this Jx OTT is better than it should be and we should range X. BUT once he checks back turn his range is weaker than it should be since he has too much KJ/QJ.
Solver 3x pots river lol.
Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD 2
NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
BTN ($26.60) [VPIP: 23.8% | PFR: 18.3% | AGG: 31.8% | Hands: 1166]
SB ($31.72) [VPIP: 21.2% | PFR: 15.6% | AGG: 31.4% | Hands: 750]
HERO ($29.65) [VPIP: 28% | PFR: 23.4% | AGG: 38.3% | Flop Agg: 41.2% | Turn Agg: 35.5% | River Agg: 41.6% | 3Bet: 10.5% | 4Bet: 12% | Cold Call: 9.9% | Hands: 122135]
UTG ($27.56) [VPIP: 24.6% | PFR: 17.4% | AGG: 29% | Hands: 196]
HJ ($99.37) [VPIP: 28.5% | PFR: 23% | AGG: 43.5% | Hands: 4245]
CO ($27.04) [VPIP: 22.3% | PFR: 18.3% | AGG: 31.8% | Flop Agg: 36.7% | Turn Agg: 34.9% | River Agg: 19.8% | 3Bet: 8.8% | 4Bet: 18.9% | Hands: 2507]
Dealt to Hero: 4♠ 3♠
UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Raises To $0.62, BTN Folds, SB Folds, HERO Calls $0.37
Hero SPR on Flop: [19.72 effective]
Flop ($1.34): T♣ A♦ 4♣
HERO Checks, CO Bets $0.67 (Rem. Stack: $25.75), HERO Raises To $2.68 (Rem. Stack: $26.35), CO Calls $2.01 (Rem. Stack: $23.74)
Turn ($6.70): T♣ A♦ 4♣ J♠
HERO Checks, CO Checks
River ($6.70): T♣ A♦ 4♣ J♠ 8♦
HERO Bets $7.90 (Rem. Stack: $18.45)
I had to knock the cobwebs off this MDA but it still works. Too much Ax in range.
Any 3 BW flop (non Ace high) in the B30-B-B line is overbluffed on the low runouts.
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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
BTN ($26.13) [VPIP: 29.7% | PFR: 22% | AGG: 34% | Flop Agg: 31% | Turn Agg: 33.3% | River Agg: 44.4% | 3Bet: 19% | 4Bet: 0% | Hands: 122]
SB ($25) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | Hands: 3]
HERO ($23.75) [VPIP: 28% | PFR: 23.4% | AGG: 38.3% | Flop Agg: 41.1% | Turn Agg: 35.4% | River Agg: 41.6% | 3Bet: 10.5% | 4Bet: 12.1% | Cold Call: 10% | Hands: 122507]
Dealt to Hero: T♦ A♥
BTN Raises To $0.62, SB Folds, HERO Calls $0.37
Hero SPR on Flop: [17.26 effective]
Flop ($1.34): K♦ T♣ Q♠
HERO Checks, BTN Bets $0.44 (Rem. Stack: $25.07), HERO Calls $0.44 (Rem. Stack: $22.69)
Turn ($2.22): K♦ T♣ Q♠ 8♣
HERO Checks, BTN Bets $1.93 (Rem. Stack: $23.14), HERO Calls $1.93 (Rem. Stack: $20.76)
River ($6.08): K♦ T♣ Q♠ 8♣ 5♦
HERO Checks, BTN Bets $5.37 (Rem. Stack: $17.77), HERO Calls $5.37 (Rem. Stack: $15.39)
I had to knock the cobwebs off this MDA but it still works. Too much Ax in range.
Any 3 BW flop (non Ace high) in the B30-B-B line is overbluffed on the low runouts.
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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
BTN ($26.13) [VPIP: 29.7% | PFR: 22% | AGG: 34% | Flop Agg: 31% | Turn Agg: 33.3% | River Agg: 44.4% | 3Bet: 19% | 4Bet: 0% | Hands: 122]
SB ($25) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | Hands: 3]
HERO ($23.75)
Could you explain the "Specific PSB or Board Texture Details" chart?
Any 3 BW flop non Ace so all the combos you can think of:
KQJ
KQT
KJT
QJT
And then ButtonvsBB Single raised pot for
B30 flop Cbet sizing and triple barrel line on low runouts.
Seems like a lot to remember but it gets easier the more you play.
It's time for me to start normalizing massive OB's in SRPs.
Here is a good example of a spot I will try to implement in the future.
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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
SB ($36.86) [VPIP: 40.5% | PFR: 11.6% | AGG: 19.8% | Hands: 176]
HERO ($35.23) [VPIP: 28% | PFR: 23.4% | AGG: 38.3% | Flop Agg: 41.1% | Turn Agg: 35.4% | River Agg: 41.6% | 3Bet: 10.5% | 4Bet: 12.1% | Cold Call: 10% | Hands: 122785]
UTG ($30.79) [VPIP: 25.1% | PFR: 20.6% | AGG: 30.8% | Flop Agg: 28.9% | Turn Agg: 23.1% | River Agg: 48.5% | 3Bet: 14.2% | 4Bet: 0% | Hands: 415]
HJ ($32.29) [VPIP: 25.7% | PFR: 15.3% | AGG: 17.4% | Hands: 148]
CO ($30.74) [VPIP: 15.9% | PFR: 13.8% | AGG: 36.1% | Hands: 148]
BTN ($39.73) [VPIP: 28.9% | PFR: 19.1% | AGG: 33.3% | Hands: 228]
Dealt to Hero: 5♥ A♥
UTG Raises To $0.62, HJ Folds, CO Folds, BTN Folds, SB Folds, HERO Calls $0.37
Hero SPR on Flop: [22.51 effective]
Flop ($1.34): 7♣ Q♠ T♥
HERO Checks, UTG Checks
Turn ($1.34): 7♣ Q♠ T♥ 5♣
HERO ?
Solver uses all probe sizing's but the highest frequency one is 2.5x pot. We need to block 55.
If we get called and the river blanks we always jam for over 3x pot.
It's time for me to start normalizing massive OB's in SRPs.
Here is a good example of a spot I will try to implement in the future.
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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
SB ($36.86) [VPIP: 40.5% | PFR: 11.6% | AGG: 19.8% | Hands: 176]
HERO ($35.23) [VPIP: 28% | PFR: 23.4% | AGG: 38.3% | Flop Agg: 41.1% | Turn Agg: 35.4% | River Agg: 41.6% | 3Bet: 10.5% | 4Bet: 12.1% | Cold Call: 10% | Hands: 122785]
UTG ($30.79)
Interesting. ~2x pot is something I use max OTT, which I'm pretty sure doesn't require these "heavy" blockers. Did you check if this is a common thing on many textures when you go bigger than 2.5x?
Since you do a lot of MDA: Do you find yourself often in the same camp as the tendencies you find in population? Often overbluffing the bigger you go on later streets in some spots for example. Spontaneously feels like it's easy to just find that I do that **** myself because it's a good exploit, but because you actually have the data and MDA is still not very prevalent yet you can just exploit them freely and be sure you won't get exploited for the exact same tendency they have, atleast not enough, and probably never unless you're in really tough games.
Interesting. ~2x pot is something I use max OTT, which I'm pretty sure doesn't require these "heavy" blockers. Did you check if this is a common thing on many textures when you go bigger than 2.5x?
Really good question, I need to do more research to give you a good answer. I would like to know all the factors in sizing/frequency for probing. Basically, the following questions.
1) Do we probe more or less vs UTG as BB? Sizing is bigger or smaller relative to BTNvsBB?
2) How much does board texture matter? Is board texture a bigger factor or is position a bigger factor?
Theory can be very counter intuitive.
I recently learned through the help of Tom from GTO Wizard that our check-raise frequencies are higher in the BBvsUTG than in BBvsBTN. Even though UTG has a stronger range.
I think if you asked most people they would say you probably check-raise more vs BTN cbets than vs UTG cbets but theory tells us differently.
Since you do a lot of MDA: Do you find yourself often in the same camp as the tendencies you find in population? Often overbluffing the bigger you go on later streets in some spots for example. Spontaneously feels like it's easy to just find that I do that **** myself because it's a good exploit, but because you actually have the data and MDA is still not very prevalent yet you can just exploit them freely and be sure you won't get exploited for the exact same tendency they have, atleast not eno
Yeah I have a lot of the same tendencies as population. I base my MDA lines on individual players. So I will use generic MDA lines vs mid or low W$WSF regulars and since I am playing blitz pools I have good samples on most of them.
If a player has a high W$WSF (let's say 50+) than I will deviate from the generic lines and try to play closer to theory. Or if I have studied a certain spot in depth I will try to get the player to that node in the hopes that I have an advantage.
Standard 6bet jam.
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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
BTN ($25) [VPIP: 22.7% | PFR: 19.4% | AGG: 36.5% | Hands: 279]
HERO ($30) [VPIP: 28% | PFR: 23.4% | AGG: 38.3% | Hands: 123048]
BB ($34.52) [VPIP: 26.1% | PFR: 22.2% | AGG: 49% | Hands: 1660]
UTG ($45.55) [VPIP: 23.8% | PFR: 20.1% | AGG: 31.1% | Hands: 629]
HJ ($39.20) [VPIP: 21.1% | PFR: 17.7% | AGG: 30.7% | Hands: 2157]
CO ($29.25) [VPIP: 31.1% | PFR: 22% | AGG: 41.7% | Hands: 438]
Dealt to Hero: 5♠ 5♣
UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Folds, BTN Folds, HERO Raises To $0.75, BB Raises To $2.35, HERO Raises To $5.55, BB Raises To $13.25, HERO Raises To $30 (allin), BB Calls $16.75
Flop ($60): Q♠ 8♠ Q♣
Turn ($60): Q♠ 8♠ Q♣ 2♥
River ($60): Q♠ 8♠ Q♣ 2♥ 4♠
50k hand Blitz check in.
I should probably stick to reg tables but the competition is fun.
How do you get rakeback on Ignition? I know it's probably buried in the Bovada thread somewhere. Do you know if the 4 table max applies to both tournaments and cash games, or does it only apply to each variant?
How do you get rakeback on Ignition? I know it's probably buried in the Bovada thread somewhere. Do you know if the 4 table max applies to both tournaments and cash games, or does it only apply to each variant?
Not sure on the 4 table question but if I had to guess I don’t think the variant matters.
You have to go through a 3rd party to get rakeback on Ignition and they pay out once a month.
ACR pays out every day and it’s automatic which is a much nicer option.