Do aliens play poker?

Do aliens play poker?

They must do?
If they are carbon, sentient, and functioning in this exact time/space dimension then they have very likely acquired at least some basic understanding of maths and physics. It is not far from there to game theory and games based upon randomly generated probability. Game theory IS nature and bound to be mapped out by anything following a similar evolutionary path of self-awareness using SCIENCE.
It might not look 100% exactly like Earth poker, granted. You’ve got to imagine there are some nuances that would apply across the infinite vastness of space and time. [Maybe they got rid of Jacks??]. But nonetheless a variant of nash based decision making using easily available materials that would also be relatively easy for poker players to learn and map out if they ever get the intergalactic memo.
Even if the best of the best (Bilzerian level) would be total cosmic fish versus their opponent species’ game. And vice versa.

There’s a lot of assumptions going on here.
I’m borderline serious though.

16 September 2024 at 12:15 PM
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by Stumeister k

Aren’t we living through the past, present, and future all at once with different galaxies and what not?

Well yeah, everything has its history and future. But the deeper and further you go into the analysis of the universe, the deeper you're going into the analysis of the present. Leaving your past (memories) and future (dreams and plans) aside, at the same time.

Different thing with GTO for example - it's based on profit (which in general, records information how you played in the long run past) and adds advice how you should play in the future. So for example when you're in the middle of the hand and start to think of the present, your style will be result-oriented and you will just play your cards avoiding simple mistakes. To play more strategically, you'll have to mix something that's a combo of past + future.

(Analysis approved by ... a cup of coffe 😀 )


by Stumeister k

Aren’t we living through the past, present, and future all at once with different galaxies and what not?

That's not quite how physics works.

While the light from distant galaxies does take millions of years to reach us, meaning we're seeing them as they were millions of years ago, this doesn't mean those galaxies are "currently" in the past. They exist in the present, just like us; it's the information (the light) that takes time to reach us.

A good analogy would be if I sent you a letter that took a month to arrive. You wouldn’t assume I’m living one month in the past—you’d recognize that we’re both in the present, but the information (the letter) took time to get to you.

Time can be stretched or compressed, but that only happens under extreme conditions, like traveling at speeds close to the speed of light (relativistic speeds).


by ITryDeuces k

Well yeah, everything has its history and future. But the deeper and further you go into the analysis of the universe, the deeper you're going into the analysis of the present. Leaving your past (memories) and future (dreams and plans) aside, at the same time.

Different thing with GTO for example - it's based on profit (which in general, records information how you played in the long run past) and adds advice how you should play in the future. So for example when you're in the middle of the hand

That's not really how GTO works.

Nash Equilibrium Strategies (GTO) don’t rely on past player behavior or try to read into your style. They don't adapt to player type. Nash assumes all players will play optimally, and focus on finding the least exploitable approach against perfect opposition.


by tombos21 k

That's not really how GTO works.

Nash Equilibrium Strategies (GTO) don’t rely on past player behavior or try to read into your style. They don't adapt to player type. Nash assumes all players will play optimally, and focus on finding the least exploitable approach against perfect opposition.

So the GTO doesn't only help you, but it also does generate smarter opponents for you and the whole thing is kind of a "strategic zero-sum loop" ?

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