ex-President Trump
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So this is an obvious lie - basically aimed at
MAHA.
Make America Healthy Again
So MAGA’s plan is to strengthen the FDA and ban certain types of food? That’s what we’re supposed to believe? I highly doubt it.
Also that was such a stupid argument at the beginning. It’s literal correlation does not equal causation, except he didn’t even correlate anything with anything.
Holy crap RFK Jr is actually crystal mommy levels of stupid.
So MAGA’s plan is to strengthen the FDA and ban certain types of food? That’s what we’re supposed to believe? I highly doubt it.
Also that was such a stupid argument at the beginning. It’s literal correlation does not equal causation, except he didn’t even correlate anything with anything.
Holy crap RFK Jr is actually crystal mommy levels of stupid.
This is the guy who said the measles vaccine doesn't work. God was so tired of RFKJ's bullsh*t that he took away his speaking voice.
So MAGA’s plan is to strengthen the FDA and ban certain types of food? That’s what we’re supposed to believe? I highly doubt it.
Also that was such a stupid argument at the beginning. It’s literal correlation does not equal causation, except he didn’t even correlate anything with anything.
Holy crap RFK Jr is actually crystal mommy levels of stupid.
I couldn't even imagine taking RFK jr seriously. Like he's one of the stupidest people I've ever heard speak.
This story is really all you need to know about RFK Jr and his "work" against vaccines:
For the tl;dr crowd: RFK Jr. and his organization steals picture of kid that died, slaps it on his anti-vax book, kid's death has nothing to do with vaccines, parents reach out, nothing is done, kid's name and portrait is spread through the anti-vaxx movement together with their nonsense. Parents now have to grieve their dead kid and see his death exploited by lies.
This is how RFK Jr. and a lot of other people make a ton of money, and it is how they mislead a lot of people into becoming miserable vessels of ignorance and hatred. There's your actual conspiracy.
And if anyone thinks this is how someone who actually cares about the health of children operates, then they are being very, very stupid.
Donald Trump has given his name and approval to a new piece
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This story is really all you need to know about RFK Jr and his "work" against vaccines:
For the tl;dr crowd: RFK Jr. and his organization steals picture of kid that died, slaps it on his anti-vax book, kid's death has nothing to do with vaccines, parents reach out, nothing is done, kid's name and portrait is spread through the anti-vaxx movement together with their nonsense. Parents now have to grieve their d
the problem is even bigger than vaccines this time because RFK and his cabal are actually kinda right about how ultraprocessed food is terrible for people (and science lately if very slowly is moving toward that direction as well), but when the idea gets promoted by insane people like them it's very hard to convince normal people that this time the crazy guys aren't saying anything crazy about such an important topic
the problem is even bigger than vaccines this time because RFK and his cabal are actually kinda right about how ultraprocessed food is terrible for people (and science lately if very slowly is moving toward that direction as well), but when the idea gets promoted by insane people like them it's very hard to convince normal people that this time the crazy guys aren't saying anything crazy about such an important topic
Then it is just a matter of finding non-crazy people who don't exploit their audience.
That said, ultra-processed food is such a vague term that it often becomes self-defeating and superstitious. Even when used by experts that can be problematic, as they might not be talking about the same thing. In the hands of laymen and less-than-serious influencers, it can be very problematic.
A company could make fish cakes with fresh ingredients and no additives and it would still arguably be ultra-processed under some definitions. Which means that a product that is by most serious accounts very healthy for you gets lobbed into the same category as nuggets made from mechanically separated chicken slop, salt and additives before it is deep fried.
the problem is even bigger than vaccines this time because RFK and his cabal are actually kinda right about how ultraprocessed food is terrible for people (and science lately if very slowly is moving toward that direction as well), but when the idea gets promoted by insane people like them it's very hard to convince normal people that this time the crazy guys aren't saying anything crazy about such an important topic
I agree with td that not all ultra processed foods present the same risks. That said, "avoid eating stuff that your great grandparents would not have recognized as food" is a perfectly fine rule of thumb and would result in a more healthy diet for the vast majority of people.
The idea is not new. I have heard it in some form or other for at least two decades. And to your point, if you are interested in healthy eating, there are a lot of better places to get information than RFK's nutso social media feed.
I agree with td that not all ultra processed foods present the same risks. That said, "avoid eating stuff that your great grandparents would not have recognized as food" is a perfectly fine rule of thumb and would result in a more healthy diet for the vast majority of people.
The idea is not new. I have heard it in some form or other for at least two decades. And to your point, if you are interested in healthy eating, there are a lot of better places to get information than RFK's nutso social m
Yes but the problem is real now.
Imagine someone trying to change school lunches , removing ultraprocessed food if present, or reducing it, and opponents now being able to say "eh see this alt right maniac believes in conspiracy theories like RFK), and stuff like that.
OFC the idea isn't new
Then it is just a matter of finding non-crazy people who don't exploit their audience.
That said, ultra-processed food is such a vague term that it often becomes self-defeating and superstitious. Even when used by experts that can be problematic, as they might not be talking about the same thing. In the hands of laymen and less-than-serious influencers, it can be very problematic.
A company could make fish cakes with fresh ingredients and no additives and it would still arguably be ultra-processe
Labeling problems happen with every label, which is why olive oil got bad nutriscore votes "because it's all fat" lol.
Ofc when trying to discussed ultraprocess food for actionable purposes you need to define that precisely
The problem is realy because it's what happened already with the vaccine mandate discourse. People like RFK who are liars about all vaccines efficacy made it *harder* for normal people who disagree with vaccine mandates for covid to dissuade normies about them.
So i expect the same to happen wrt ultraprocessed food.
the problem is even bigger than vaccines this time because RFK and his cabal are actually kinda right about how ultraprocessed food is terrible for people (and science lately if very slowly is moving toward that direction as well), but when the idea gets promoted by insane people like them it's very hard to convince normal people that this time the crazy guys aren't saying anything crazy about such an important topic
I think we need an economist to evaluate if ultraprocessed food is terrible for people. I don’t trust epidemiologists or climate scientists or doctors to do it.
Oh wait that’s right, that was just an arbitrary bullshit thing you decided was convenient for you to say for a specific argument, you don’t actually believe that.
Ok so now we know who dumped DJT shares as soon as he could
I think we need an economist to evaluate if ultraprocessed food is terrible for people. I don’t trust epidemiologists or climate scientists or doctors to do it.
Oh wait that’s right, that was just an arbitrary bullshit thing you decided was convenient for you to say for a specific argument, you don’t actually believe that.
Uh? The economist would be needed to discuss societal effects of rules on ultra processed food, not to assess the biological causal claims, exactly like for the other things you listed .
Ofc nutritionists should be the last people in society to ask about which food should be legally sold or which rules should govern food production and sales
Uh? The economist would be needed to discuss societal effects of rules on ultra processed food, not to assess the biological causal claims, exactly like for the other things you listed .
Ofc nutritionists should be the last people in society to ask about which food should be legally sold or which rules should govern food production and sales
Why do you even call yourself a libertarian Luciom? I don’t understand why a libertarian would even entertain the argument of banning ultraprocessed foods.
That said, ultra-processed food is such a vague term that it often becomes self-defeating and superstitious. Even when used by experts that can be problematic, as they might not be talking about the same thing. In the hands of laymen and less-than-serious influencers, it can be very problematic.
A company could make fish cakes with fresh ingredients and no additives and it would still arguably be ultra-processed under some definitions. Which means that a product that is by most serious accounts v
This is all very true. Anyone extolling the dangers of "processed foods" (I literally just came from a class where the speaker brought this up, and I visibly squirmed) doesn't know what they are talking about. Literally cutting and/or washing vegetables counts as processing food. It's essentially just a buzz word.
There are vegan nutritionist like Dr. Gregor that don’t recommend tofu because it’s “processed”. This whole processed food thing is just stupid.
The problem with cured meats aren’t that they are processed, it’s that they are associated with increased cancer risk and are super high in sodium. The problem with sugary cereals is that they are high in added sugar, and that sugar is of low nutritional quality. The problem with oreos is that they have palm oil and low quality sugar. Etc.
And RFK Jr wants to blame the FDA for the fact that these foods can be sold, but the FDA was never supposed to be “this food is healthy for you”, it was just supposed to be a stamp that the food isn’t going to kill you. We all know that deserts aren’t healthy for you, should the FDA be in the business of banning ice cream? And seriously, are we supposed to believe that Republicans are going to start banning “ultraprocessed foods” when they made fun of New York’s big gulp ban as being cringe nanny state? I feel like I’m being totally gaslit in this election because Trump is just taking up any policy he thinks will get him elected with no intention of actually doing any of them.
The problem is realy because it's what happened already with the vaccine mandate discourse. People like RFK who are liars about all vaccines efficacy made it *harder* for normal people who disagree with vaccine mandates for covid to dissuade normies about them.
So i expect the same to happen wrt ultraprocessed food.
People against mandates felt like they had to team up with moron anti vaxers. They made that decision and marginalized themselves n the eyes of non morons. That eating healthy will somehow be sullied by RFK is an extreme stretch.
Most processed foods contain a lot of unnatural chemicals that weren't designed to be ingested by the human body such as high fructose corn syrup, aspartame, preservatives, nitrates and nitrites, artificial colors and artificial sweeteners, and most importantly sugar and seed oils. When RFK was referring to processed foods, he's talking about foods containing all these chemicals that are horrible for the human body, as well as soda, candy, and sugar which are all extremely bad for our health (bad for us but great for the pharmaceutical industry).
Sugar should be outlawed if it was up to me, and the gov't's food pyramid is also based on money and greed instead of our health. We don't need to eat plants, flour, bread or cereal and we certainly don't need to eat 6 servings of vegetables per day. We're carnivores by nature, we were designed to eat meat, fish, chicken, eggs and other animal products not plants that contain chemicals that were designed for plants and other junk.
Most processed foods contain a lot of unnatural chemicals that weren't designed to be ingested by the human body such as high fructose corn syrup, aspartame, preservatives, nitrates and nitrites, artificial colors and artificial sweeteners, and most importantly sugar and seed oils. When RFK was referring to processed foods, he's talking about foods containing all these chemicals that are horrible for the human body, as well as soda, candy, and sugar which are all extremely bad for our health (ba
Hey humans weren’t designed to use AC, get open heart surgery, and drive in cars either so why don’t you go out in the forest and stop using up any of our modern amenities if you really feel like this argument has any logic whatsoever.
People like you don’t even realize how hypocritical and stupid you sound railing against “unnatural food” while 1) not even knowing what a “natural” diet looks like and 2) using all manners of unnatural things, oftentimes a brain-poisoning amount of social media to even get you to the insane positions you hold.
May take him a while to respond because of his all natural smart phone.
