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On top of my head one of the funsies:
Luciom is one of the only far right people I know that openly (and proudly claim ) he and his kind are far-right.
Far-right is at the top of the list regarding facism definition.
Maybe if he doesn't like being called a fascist he should stop calling himself far-right.

So Trump is a socialist???

I am far right only on a few topics but the fact I want a weak state with low power (far lower than today in basically every first world country) makes me the literal opposite of fascist.

You need a strong centralized government to get fascism. Fascism predicates government being in charge among other things of "strategic" sectors of the economy, either by direct ownership or by being allowed to order owners what to produce and who to sell.

I want a complete ban on government being allowed to own productive assets, or to be able to dictate what can be produced or sold and to whom, how is that even vaguely compatible with fascism?

You realize deregulation is literal antifascism, as regulation is what a fascist government needs to guarantee companies satisfy fascist needs?

Mussolini nationalized banks, ship yards, steel producers and others.
Mussolini created the national public school system (to "forge" a national fascist identity).
Mussolini forced German speaking Italians in the far north (Bolzano area) to speak Italian and to learn Italian in school.

I want the government out of the school system and constitutionally barred from owning or operating any company.

My position is literal antifascism, if my political model becomes reality fascism is impossible because the government doesn't have the tools to apply fascism.

I am far right on the ECONOMY (per american definition) while fascism is very leftist on the ECONOMY. Fascism agrees with your view of the economy, a strong state that controls economic production to steer it toward the "common good".

I refuse to consider a "common good" can even be defined, there is no "us", only individuals and families which have the misfortune to forcibly cohabitate the same common property.

Fascism is the identification of the state with the moral good, I hate the state and consider it the cause of most societal problem and the solution to very few of them.

I am also an atheist which wants nothing to do with the church in politics while Mussolini considered the church an important element for fascism (part of the "trad" worldview).

So I don't want to be called fascist because I simply am the most antifascist person in this forum.

Most of you have a model of politics that is either conducive to fascism (because it predisposes the tools for fascism to happen), or actually fascist like everyone who agrees with hate speech laws is in fact a fascist.

Government should never have the power to censor any idea in the private sphere while for fascist it's good to censor "bad ideas" however defined.

Trump isn't a socialist (he was a democrat not a socialist before, and democrats aren't all socialists) but he is a moderate center left candidate on the economy like Meloni yes.

Do you agree Trump is far far far to the left of Milei on the economy? For me the right is Milei.

And the economy is more important than everything else combined to define politics.

Trump is a pro deficit, pro tariffs guy.

That's vanilla center left.

Weez do you understand that when I say I am far right it's about stuff like I would love medicaid to be abolished and I don't care if poor people die, while Mussolini increased welfare for poor people and even sent poor people kids to vacation in "colonies" on the beach with taxpayer money?

Mussolini taxed adult unmarried men more (Bachelor tax) to push fertility, do you realize I never proposed or condoned or justified that kind of government powers and actions?

What exactly in my model of politics is fascist? Maybe you should start realizing fascism has been defined as everything the left dislikes these days even if fascism itself had many leftist elements.

This sort of thing, and that he never replies to it because he knows I have the receipts.

Yeah and it's not like communists ever executed anyone who disagreed with them.

I am not sure why i am supposed to answer fabricated claims about my claims. I don't want the state to have authority to kill people for expressing ideas as i repeatedly stated.

I want the state to be allowed to use violence to protect people though, against enemies foreign and domestic, against violent actions (which include violence against property), that's one of the very few roles the state has to accomplish in a classic liberal model as well.

For example the state firing on rioting striking workers is something that happened before Mussolini existed, using state violence against socialist/marxist rioters isn't fascism, it's what many classic liberal government properly did in the 19th century to protect property and lives from violent domestic enemies.

You are british, so you know about the so called "great unrest" of 1911-1914.

Government at times intervened with a heavy hand against violent rioters during some of the thousands of strikes of those years. That's something i am in favor of doing a lot, and it can't semantically be called fascist, it happened before fascism in a classic liberal constitutional monarchy for **** sake.

There were people, newspapers and politicians asking to use a ton more violence from the side of the state to quell those violent, illegal, eversive actions (not the strikes per se, rather the accompanying violence, sabotage and so on) and those weren't fascist either!

Being willing to use the state monopoly of violence against violent people acting against the law isn't fascism!!!!!

yet so weird how you're not showing any of these receipts you claim to have

Not weird you're defending a fascist.

Here's one

And another. Decent of him to spare the lives of some immigrants...

if a homeless man shows up on your doorstep and says you need to feed and house him or he's going to die do you invite him into your house and agree to his demands or call the cops?

also, you should be quoting not snipping, that way it's easy to look back at the context of the conversation

and neither of those posts he made are at all fascist, that's literally how the entire world operates

The world does not operate by killing people who resist deportation.

ok, so instead of dodging my question, please answer it

and, for good measure, assume there are no cops you can call, what do you do now?

it's a serious question jalfrezi, are you expecting it to develop into a love story like it does in this meet cute?

I like this. Someone attacks someone, someone says "quote the posts", and then the posts actually get quoted and litigated. That's how it should be. Good job guys.

I wouldn't call cops in the first place. I'd do what I've done with homeless people before and get them some food. You stanning for a fascist who wants to exterminate large numbers of immigrants is the story here, not what people do in some hypothetical you've conjured up out of thin air to defend your new fasco-pal.

Except the posts aren't being litigated - instead, and predictably, rickroll doesn't want to address the overt fascism that he doubted existed.

nothing about calling the cops when you have homeless people at your door giving you ultimatums to feed and house them is remotely "fascist"

if it is, then you genuinely believe 99.9% of the world are fascists

and lol to your make believe answer of taking them in - you would let him set up encampment on your lawn and feed him every day?

i know you're doing it for virtue signaling, but you're not impressing anyone posting that trash

stand up for yourself and have a little self respect

I didn't say I'd take them in. Learn to read better.

Luciom was talking about immigration and what he thinks should be done with immigrants who a country doesn't want.

Be less of a fascism enabler and show more humanity if you can find some.

ok so we are at the "any politics I dislike is fascism" phase of the debate, because your quotes of me have absolutely nothing to do with fascism.

being ruthless, with no empathy, not giving a **** about the poors and so on has absolutely nothing to do with fascism, fascism actually favors a significant welfare state (much more than classic liberalism).

fascism isn't the opposite of social democracy, and hating social democracy isn't fascism.

literally, no u

the question was clear without many options

either feed and house indefinitely or you don't

you are a coward to say you wouldn't do it indefinitely and felt the need to include some grade a virtue signaling nonsense

you dodged it as expected, because you've set yourself up as such a "good person" that you're too much of coward to admit the reality that if you had a homeless man at your door demanding to be housed and fed indefinitely you wouldn't welcome him in and agree with it, you'd instead call the cops