In other news
In the current news climate we see that some figures and events tend to dominate the front-pages heavily. Still, there are important, interesting or just plain weird things happening out there and a group of people can find these better than one.
I thought I would test with a thread for linking general news articles about "other news" and discussion. Perhaps it goes into the abyss that is page 2 and beyond, but it is worth a try.
Some guidelines:
- Try to find the "clean link", so that links to the news site directly and not a social media site. Avoid "amp-links" (google).
- Write some cliff notes on what it is about, especially if it is a video.
- It's not an excuse to make outlandish claims via proxy or link extremist content.
- If it's an editorial or opinion piece, it is polite to mark it as such.
- Note the language if it is not in English.
- There is no demand that such things be posted here, if you think a piece merits its own thread, then make one.
guys, in the declarations of secessions, the grievance is 100% focused on slavery - they are extremely clear about that
A civil war would have ensued once other states seceded for any reason other than slavery, even if that weren't part of the equation. A civil war- for whatever reason- isn't the same as Luciom's desire to proactively assimilate everyone else on Earth. So citing the US civil war doesn't justify his position.
A civil war would have ensued once other states seceded for any reason other than slavery, even if that weren't part of the equation. A civil war- for whatever reason- isn't the same as Luciom's desire to proactively assimilate everyone else on Earth. So citing the US civil war doesn't justify his position.
oh that i agree, if the south stayed in the union and just refused to adhere to any anti-slavery legislation then there's basically no chance lincoln would have sent troops down south to enforce those rules
had the south never opened fire on fort sumter, it could have just been a lengthy cold war
The immediate reason was the US refusing to recognise the right to secede and your comparison isn't apt anyway as you're talking of a proactively launched borg style assimilation of "everyone on Earth", your words. And again you can't enforce such things.
You can enforce no new country with nuclear weapons and the like. And we do it.
You can similarly enforce any mandate not to ban x or y.
What you can't enforce is for example for everyone to "like homosexuals". But you can certainly enforce every country in the world not to use law enforcement to jail homosexuals.
And we should
guys, in the declarations of secessions, the grievance is 100% focused on slavery - they are extremely clear about that
And the preceding years of political trouble were clear on that as well.
The north waged what are the time was the most deadly war in human history to force other people to agree with their ideas.
That's how the west WAS BORN AS A CONCEPT, and how the USA became the most powerful country in the history of the world.
By being willing to assassinate unlimitwd amounts of people who lived nearby them until they bent and behaved like they asked them to.
It was literally a holy crusade for liberal values.
A civil war would have ensued once other states seceded for any reason other than slavery, even if that weren't part of the equation. A civil war- for whatever reason- isn't the same as Luciom's desire to proactively assimilate everyone else on Earth. So citing the US civil war doesn't justify his position.
I don't want to "assimilate" them.
I want every place on the planet to have (classic) liberal law enforcement.
Same as the south didn't become less racist by losing the war. But slavery wasn't legal anymore no matter what they preferred.
Ok so killing other people if they don't want to live with you is fine? But the opposite is horrific Nazism right?
lol nonsensical even curving down to your standards. The south attacked US soldiers and declared war. All their elected representatives joined the cause. Going and killing those same low performing rural white conservative communities today would be genocide and comparable to nazism.
Tons of deaths sure..... that was not the motive at the beginning either and probably at no time was tons of deaths a motive.
The north had 0 motivation for the war. They would have been completely fine adding free western territories as free states until congress had the votes to outlaw slavery. By 1860 it was pretty clear that would happen, which is why the south chose to start the war in the first place.
Are you guys talking about the war of northern aggression?
in other news, can someone help me understand why a congestion pricing scheme in NYC has anything to do with the federal government?
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/01/05...
I am not going to discuss the pros/cons of the plan, those kinds of things are ultra complicated and local details matter a lot, I just want to understand why under the federal constitution the federal government has any say on the topic at all
to westernize isn't assimilation.
especially because the west has no homogeneity of values, with the left having opposite values on most of the important things in life than the right for example (and you also have both atheists and religious people in the west and so on).
there is nothing to assimilate to because we already include all possible varieties.
in the west we have plenty of racists, of illiberal people, of people who disagree with fundamental unalienable constitutional rights.
we have people who don't want women to have the right to vote, people who want to jail others if they don't take a COVID vaccine, people who want to abolish private property, and so on and on.
we have Hamas supporters and neonazis.
but our rule of law disregards their horrific preferences and doesn't operate based on them, even if they temporarily become majoritarian.
to westernize is to put someone in a position where his opinion never matters nor has any effect on others if it goes counter liberal constitutional rights
I don't know if this applies here, but if you accept federal highway funds you have to accept federal oversight. It might also be deemed to impede interstate commerce.
guys, in the declarations of secessions, the grievance is 100% focused on slavery - they are extremely clear about that
The North had Congressional power; the South was PO'd that they effectively did not have a say in how they (the South) wanted to run each of their states. Sure slavery was one of those many reasons.
States Rights (or effectively.... Laws without Representation) #1
I don't know if this applies here, but if you accept federal highway funds you have to accept federal oversight. It might also be deemed to impede interstate commerce.
ok the first part I get it, although it seems like a stretch that if I accept highway funds you get a say on other roads.
second as well I guess, at this point anything even if it's entirely in a county is "interstate commerce" until the court fixes it (which doesn't seem very inclined to do unfortunately)
to westernize isn't assimilation.
especially because the west has no homogeneity of values, with the left having opposite values on most of the important things in life than the right for example (and you also have both atheists and religious people in the west and so on).
there is nothing to assimilate to because we already include all possible varieties.
in the west we have plenty of racists, of illiberal people, of people who disagree with fundamental unalienable constitutional rights.
we have pe
Well knowing you , it wouldn’t stop there lol .
After all of them being westernized
(which I wouldn’t be shedding a tears for that),
you would go another crusade and declared all people in favour of leftish view being declared illegal (since you view them as evil !) and go another wipe out of them until all are assimilated like a true borg fascist belonging in the immuable sea of far fright values …
Paraphrasing Luciom: « Only then you can possibly see what true freedom is ! »
The North had Congressional power; the South was PO'd that they effectively did not have a say in how they (the South) wanted to run each of their states. Sure slavery was one of those many reasons.
States Rights (or effectively.... Laws without Representation) #1
That seems like some conservative apologia. Nothing changed wrt to congressional power between 1850 and 1860. What did change was the president was now a free soil advocate who was against any expansion of slavery. Under the US constitution states had the right to allow or forbid slavery. Under the confederate constitution, states gave up the power to outlaw slavery. The right for white people to own people of African descent was a fundamental right like free speech or religion. It weakened states rights.
well I dont believe that. but at least acknowledging the harm done by the West and realizing its further genocidal goals is pretty minimal. the thing in Syria should be ringing alarm bells for anyone who believes in human rights.
ofc I recognize that. voting is meaningless at best and often detrimental.
I cant help where I was born and I cant help that I benefit from the mass murder and rape and theft of much of the world. due to my selfishness and indoctrination, all I can really do is send
It's nice to get just a little below the surface level Victor we usually see. The only part of this I very strongly disagree with you on is voting, because I think you are far too broad with your assessment of it. I find it hard to believe that there's nothing worth voting for - spoil the ballot/vote for no one for president, then find people down ballot you can support on certain issues, maybe third party or independent candidates, make your voice heard on important initiatives, or just spoil the whole damn ballot. There's always a better choice than not voting at all IMO. But we've had this discussion before, and I don't expect to win you over on this one. Thanks for the deeper answer. Really. 😀
to be clear i genuinely like you - i think you're well principled and i don't think you're virtue signaling in bad faith, you're just not aware that's what you're doing
Thanks rick, I typically enjoy our discussions and find you to be arguing in good faith when we have them.
you are right that i'm not advocating that - that would be an unfair assessment
i'm merely highlighting the chasm between "how it should be" vs "how it will be once i'm personally involved" is often extreme and they shouldn't be
Sure. It's definitely the case that people are happy to do the things that require the least effort but provide the maximum "virtue signal", and quickly run for the hills when sacrifice is required. I'd suggest that the majority of people are guilty of this, it's just a matter of the extent. I certainly am, and it's something I need to work on. As I get older, have more resources, and am less needed by family, I find it easier to do - not ideal, as real sacrifice would have been finding a way to do so earlier, but here we are.
it's far easier to advocate something should be done when what is doing it is a government monolith
martha's vineyard has 20k permanent residents and 200k seasonal residents
it's one of the wealthiest and most liberal bastions in america
153k median household income, mind you that's median not average and average is always higher as it's inflated by the presence of the mega wealthy (of which martha's vineyard has plenty)
that number is for the permanent residents, it'd skew much higher if we include
It's an interesting example, and I'll try not to get too far into the weeds because I know it's only one example and you could find plenty of others. I think what shouldn't be forgotten is that this was set up in a way to maximize political gain for DeSantis. It never sat right for me that it was basically using immigrants as a political tool. That said, you make some good points and I probably see this a little differently now than I did at the time it happened.
In other news, the chinese government operates secret police stations inside american cities
They do that globally actually
Irish government put a stop to it over my way. For some weird reason over your way had joint Chinese police/Carabinieri patrols in Italian cities, although I think they've since stopped. There were links between Chinese police and Triads based in Prato.
