2024 ELECTION THREAD
The next presidential race will be here soon! Please see current Bovada odds. Thoughts?
So in Usa Luciontopia we eliminate personal income taxes every April and declare war based upon popular vote of the people. Sounds stupid to me.
You actually can declare war based upon popular opinion, problem is you often do it even against that lol.
As for taxes, every provision should be constitutionally coupled with it's specific revenue source, it's a terrible mistake not to have everything financed by specific taxes yes.
The idea that you can vote for a provision that has a cost without being mandated to cover for it's expenses in the same bill is the source of most distopian government insanities
tens of millions of dollars and thousands of man hours have been spent on this conspiracy theory and they've managed to scrounge up a dozen or two cases over DECADES. and it's like their only real position. i have no idea how anyone that isn't very wealthy that has a brain votes for these guys.
Yet 80%+ of Americans want proof of citizenship to be able to register to vote.
You think you are morally better than them and want to decide for them.
And that is anti democratic. You disregard democracy everytime the popular opinion is different from yours.
The DOJ sometimes does this sort of thing in cases where a person is violating the spirit of the law but may be in a grey area or technically in compliance with the letter of the law.
What's gray about giving money to registered voters that sign a pro 1a-2a declaration?
Please be specific about the statute being broken
https://bipartisanpolicy.org/blog/four-t...
How do election offices verify voters’ citizenship status?
The process of verifying voter citizenship varies across the United States. The National Voter Registration Act of 1993 requires states to use a common voter registration form, which includes under penalty of perjury an attestation that the applicant is a U.S. citizen.
States verify voter identity and information using state and/or federal databases, such a
So there is no federal statute that guarantees proof of citizenship is necessary to register to vote, thanks to prove my point given we were talking about federal congress democrat opposition to that provision.
Penalty of perjury isn't requirement of producing proof, other than self assessment
I'm of the opinion that America is a representative democracy and both parties have voted against the will of the people at times throughout history. The fact you call it anti-democratic demonstrates you don't understand how our country's political system works.
Voting against the temporary will of 55% of the people *isn't the same as opposing what 80%+ of the people structurally ask for"
X Owner Musk Warned by DOJ: Paying Voters Is Illegal and Could Lead to Prison Time
By Dharmesh Sahu / October 25, 2024
Elon Musk was warned by the DOJ that offering monetary incentives tied to voting intentions is illegal and violates federal law.
Elon Musk’s recent initiative, where he has promised to give $1 million daily to registered voters who sign a petition supporting the First and Seco
I agree that, as I already said, it's obscene to give warnings.
That's either illegal so the full force of the state should be used to interrupt that ASAP, or not illegal so it's exceptionally bad that the DoJ discusses that to begin with.
There is no in between possible or justifiable.
Right, until the question about the popular vote and the electoral college come up in talks about the Presidency, or Supreme Court decisions, and then all of a sudden we need to change all those things so the "people" are better represented. Progressives don't argue from principles, they argue for power, and any position will do so long as it moves their agenda forward.
What do the two have to do with each other? And Trump is for eliminating the electoral college as well.
Uh? The masses are exceptionally ignorant, always have been. Median IQ people have barely a grasp of most topics, often a very imprecise one, and half of the population is worse than that.
Pointing out that answers to polls might be based on misinformation of various kind is like pointing out the fact that normies don't have a ****ing clue about reality.
If you think that's enough to be anti democratic SAY THAT , otherwise the fact that polls about the ACA are based upon vibes and not fact is not
I guess you nailed trump popularity.
And near 80% want campaign finance reform and that isn't happening, so now you can complain about both.
I have said already that even if republicans are anti democratic the same (pls source the 80%+ poll in favor of something republican oppose though), that doesn't justifies democrats.
We could end up claiming that both republicans and democrats are deeply, intimately, anti democratic.
Fine with that, which means no one here or elsewhere can claim Trump being a "threat to democracy" is an issue, as BOTH MAIN PARTIES ARE ALREADY DEEPLY ANTI DEMOCRATIC.
so you already don't have anything resembling an actual democracy so there is nothing for a Trump to threaten, other that the specific interests and privileges of specific groups which is a very different topic.
Or, you actually still have a Democracy and the democratic party is actually the biggest threat to it, violating the 1a regularly, disregarding people opinion on crucial issues and so on
I have said already that even if republicans are anti democratic the same (pls source the 80%+ poll in favor of something republican oppose though), that doesn't justifies democrats.
We could end up claiming that both republicans and democrats are deeply, intimately, anti democratic.
Fine with that, which means no one here or elsewhere can claim Trump being a "threat to democracy" is an issue, as BOTH MAIN PARTIES ARE ALREADY DEEPLY ANTI DEMOCRATIC.
so you already don't have anything resembling an
Shade of grey exist .
Yes, the 1a is more important than almost everything else for democracy for example.
Which is why the constant attempt of democrats to weaken it is exceptionally more dangerous for democracy than Trump can ever be (as he spends most of his time on golf clubs anyway)
Yes, the 1a is more important than almost everything else for democracy for example.
Which is why the constant attempt of democrats to weaken it is exceptionally more dangerous for democracy than Trump can ever be (as he spends most of his time on golf clubs anyway)
He literally said that people who criticize judges should be investigated criminally. You are repeating lies that Trump cares about free speech.
That is amazing
I have said already that even if republicans are anti democratic the same (pls source the 80%+ poll in favor of something republican oppose though), that doesn't justifies democrats.
We could end up claiming that both republicans and democrats are deeply, intimately, anti democratic.
Fine with that, which means no one here or elsewhere can claim Trump being a "threat to democracy" is an issue, as BOTH MAIN PARTIES ARE ALREADY DEEPLY ANTI DEMOCRATIC.
so you already don't have anything resembling an
I see, so you're only interested in complaining when Democrats ignore the will of the people. Got it.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/04/2...
Of course this was just bluster because he claims he won the popular vote.
Yes, the 1a is more important than almost everything else for democracy for example.
Which is why the constant attempt of democrats to weaken it is exceptionally more dangerous for democracy than Trump can ever be (as he spends most of his time on golf clubs anyway)
Yep. As an aside, complaints about the "spread of disinformation" are nothing but a thinly veiled attack on free speech as well, and with the one exception of "Israel," are almost universally a Dem or left-leaning talking point ("stop killing trans people!"). Anyone with an IQ above double digits knows there is very little information that isn't open to interpretation.
We saw this **** during Covid where you weren't allowed to question one iota of the government response to the pandemic or be at threat of losing your job. Just imagine what kind of a dystopian hellscape we would all live in if these people had the absolute power they crave. And then they have the gall to claim their political opponents are the real threat to democracy. Accusing your enemy of what you're guilty of is only part of it. The corollary is to claim to defend that which you're attempting to destroy.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/04/2...
Of course this was just bluster because he claims he won the popular vote.
Lol gross by Trump there and I don't agree at all with him.
Luckily he just spits stuff out without acting on it so he isn't dangerous
Interesting that major newspapers like LA Times and WAPO are no longer officially endorsing candidates. Apparently this started happening a couple years ago (Alden Global Capital).
Still funny reading that people at LAT and WAPO are having hissy fits and quitting over this.
Lol gross by Trump there and I don't agree at all with him.
Luckily he just spits stuff out without acting on it so he isn't dangerous
What did Democrats do to harm freedom of speech? Trump was the one that wanted to get rid of free speech protections for internet platforms. All Democrats did was set up a few investigations into misinformation, which has nothing to do with the first amendment.
I find it hysterical Harris is going to Texas to use it as an example of what the USA would look like under Trump, ie "50 Texases". In other words, she's going to TX just to sh*t on it.
Donald Trump is warning the country will end up like Detroit if Kamala Harris is elected.
Now, Harris is cautioning that if voters put him in office, it’ll look like Texas instead.
It’s an argument the vice president will make on Friday as she steps off the swing-state campaign trail to rally supporters in deep-red Texas, a focal point not only for the abortion-rights fight, but for the kinds of conservative policies Harris and other Democrats warn could spread across the country if Trump returns to the White House.
In essence, she’s moving to turn Texas, a lodestar of Republican politics, into a foil.
“If we don’t stop Donald Trump now, we’re going to have 50 Texases,” said Mini Timmaraju, president and CEO of Reproductive Freedom for All, who will attend the Friday rally in Houston. “The tip of the spear of the crisis is Texas.”
