2024 ELECTION THREAD
The next presidential race will be here soon! Please see current Bovada odds. Thoughts?
I do think as a whole, people were generally happier at many times in the past than they are now. My comment there is more in regard to people experiencing a shock, or massive detox if they were to go back to a generation that doesn't allow them to do the majority of the stuff that they are compelled to do now.
Losing something you have is almost always much much much more painful than never getting it in the first place.
Peopel suffered a lot more quietly.
Im not sure they were happier or that that was a good thing. The abuse (including institutional), sexism, racism, poverty, etc were horrendous but we didn't hear about it anywhere near as much
fwiw I grew up in the 70s - I remember them well.
That's all true and I was talking generally as one has to in such topics. Obviously if you were black in the UK (perhaps only 1 or 2 % of the population then ) you were much less happy on average than now because social attitudes and job prospects were appalling. I remember walking out of people's offices a couple of times because of the overt and toxic racism on display (name-calling), and that was in the 1980s.
Or LGBT or disabled or in an institution or unlucky.
I'm not going to say women were more unhappy but they sure had every right to be.
Or LGBT or disabled or in an institution or unlucky.
I'm not going to say women were more unhappy but they sire had every right to be.
At least they had a female PM which wasn't a complete joke unlike the second and third ones they got very recently
(Interestingly, all 3 were quite to the right of the population)
At that time I was working in the NHS in a department that was ~30% female and had three female bosses in succession so I think the sexual equality acts of the early 70s had begun to work by then.
Okay but I know you know that it was a massively misogynistic world. Way worse than now
I also have many anecdotes but it's not really in dispute is it?
No of course not but I don't think it's clear that women in the West are any happier now than 40 years ago, on average.
Social media has been a huge net negative for females in particular, I'd argue.
Yeah I don't know if they were more unhappy but fhey definitely had a right to be.
A decision to go back the 70s in the uk would be a lot easier for a white heterosexual man. Stick em in london, heslthy and not poor and it sounds quite attractive.
No of course not but I don't think it's clear that women in the West are any happier now than 40 years ago, on average.
Social media has been a huge net negative for females in particular, I'd argue.
Yes but in general a sizeable portion of heterosexual women just want to be able to have kids, and current societal arrangements aren't very conducive for that and that's extremely painful for many women (and men, but women more)
Yes but in general a sizeable portion of heterosexual women just want to be able to have kids, and current societal arrangements aren't very conducive for that and that's extremely painful for many women (and men, but women more)
I don’t think it’s as much of a problem as people say it is, I just think there’s a lot of social stigma around, not having kids.
Your characterization of what qualifies as a "0 to 1" jump is somewhat arbitrary. Thinks like indoor plumbing, air conditioning, and commercial air travel are much closer to "we have it or we don't" than changes in the area of communication.
We went from "guy has to die because he runs too quickly to tell his friend how the battle ended in Marathon" (which was the only way to communicate across distances for all human history) to approximately instant communication with the telegraph. That's the 0-1.
In 1815 there was widespread fraud in the London stock exchange because of false communications about Waterloo which couldn't be checked in real time because no distance communication tool existed at all.
Then the world changed forever.
For households, radio to receive and phone to call, 0 to 1.
I don’t think it’s as much of a problem as people say it is, I just think there’s a lot of social stigma around, not having kids.
I am not sure you are focusing on the same stuff i have, but there has never been a time where it was more probable to end with divorce.
And the stigma of not having children is the lowest ever.
Trump campaign trying to alienate the Latin vote in the final hour is certainly a choice.
Okay but I know you know that it was a massively misogynistic world. Way worse than now
I also have many anecdotes but it's not really in dispute is it?
I think it qould be better to get the opinions of women who lived during that time on how things compare.
Because in the last 10 years or so and especially since covid, my impression is that a lot more people, especially women appear far more miserable and seem to be enduring a lot more mental challenges than in the past.
I am not sure you are focusing on the same stuff i have, but there has never been a time where it was more probable to end with divorce.
And the stigma of not having children is the lowest ever.
The stigma being the lowest ever isn’t going to cache out in the stigma being low. If you go from 100% stigma to 95% stigma that’s going to be the lowest ever but 95% still stigmatize it.
As far as divorce, it just depends on the reasons for divorce. I also think divorce might be made more miserable by alimony and child support and welfare benefits attached to being single etc. There are reforms needed for divorce.
Do people think the Killy Tony comments might swing the election? Calling puerto rico a garbage island and making a watermelon joke probably not helpful
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Republicans are great to find excuses and justification on really crazy stuff to keep voting trump .
This is an easy rebuttal to keep voting trump -> his not on the ballot for the election.
Im about to early vote with my friends at a picturesque venue. I haven’t really paid attention to politics much lately and don’t know who I’m voting for. I guess Kamala Harris and Donald Trump are the final two. I think Kamala will be good for healthcare and Trump will be good for the economy maybe? Anyway, I’ll just feel it out at the venue if you know what I mean. Ttyl♥
There are half a million Puerto Ricans living in PA. The vote margins in PA for the last two Presidential elections was 80,555 and 44,292.
I mean this was enough of an unforced error that Peter Navarro called Hinchecliffe the stupidest ****ing idiot and Rick Scott went out of his way to apologize to Puerto Ricans and disavow every word of it
Pretty moronic. And yet trump just shrugging
Now MAGA putting incendiary devices in ballot boxes
You know, totally normal behavior
A decision to go back the 70s in the uk would be a lot easier for a white heterosexual man. Stick em in london, heslthy and not poor and it sounds quite attractive.
Not even just in London. Remember, manufacturing was still employing people back then. It's a no brainer for people in many Northern/Scottish towns/cities to prefer the 1970s.
I've always thought some large chunk of Brexit was about wanting a return to simpler times with a job for life.
I mean this was enough of an unforced error that Peter Navarro called Hinchecliffe the stupidest ****ing idiot and Rick Scott went out of his way to apologize to Puerto Ricans and disavow every word of it
Pretty moronic. And yet trump just shrugging
Rubio commented the event as well defending Puertoricans
