2024 ELECTION THREAD
The next presidential race will be here soon! Please see current Bovada odds. Thoughts?
And it seems like much of this is moot when Trump admitted to asking for campaign help from Ukraine. If people think that's less of an issue than non citizens and other non whites voting they should just say so.
if there was anything to attack trump with from Mueller, why didn't Biden DOJ use that from day one to incarcerate Trump for good?
if there was anything to attack trump with from Mueller, why didn't Biden DOJ use that from day one to incarcerate Trump for good?
There was no proof Trump did anything illegal. Even doing what Trump did with Zelensky, which was saying "launch a fake investigation into my political opponent and I will use my power as president to help you" is not illegal. Just like a president asking for governors and election officials to give him fraudulent votes is not a federal crime. It's up to voters and congress to hold presidents accountable for obvious corruption. Increasingly, the right does not care.
a brutal war started by who, victor? and what was the alternative? just let ukraine be completely annexed by russia? that’s insane.
I guess iran is evil for promoting a brutal war in I/P too. oh wait that’s a good war of liberation so you think it’s morally obligatory for terrorists to kill israeli civilians.
Chat, is he throwing?
a brutal war started by who, victor? and what was the alternative? just let ukraine be completely annexed by russia? that’s insane.
I guess iran is evil for promoting a brutal war in I/P too. oh wait that’s a good war of liberation so you think it’s morally obligatory for terrorists to kill israeli civilians.
if you want to engage his heinous claims you need to understand them imho.
he claims the war would have ended immediately if we hadn't helped Ukraine so every day the war exists after the end that would have happened if we never did anything, is on us.
There was no proof Trump did anything illegal. Even doing what Trump did with Zelensky, which was saying "launch a fake investigation into my political opponent and I will use my power as president to help you" is not illegal. Just like a president asking for governors and election officials to give him fraudulent votes is not a federal crime. It's up to voters and congress to hold presidents accountable for obvious corruption. Increasingly, the right does not care.
ok so the claims about Trump being a puppet of Putin and so on, were actually a complete hoax?
when I say Russian hoax I refer to that
I’m shocked, shocked I tell you
if you want to engage his heinous claims you need to understand them imho.
he claims the war would have ended immediately if we hadn't helped Ukraine so every day the war exists after the end that would have happened if we never did anything, is on us.
the post you quoted already shows I understand that and the counterargument. It’s pretty stupid to just allow countries to argue it in one case (ukraine) and then take the literal exact opposite view for Palestine. He told me that Hamas starting the war with Israel is good because it will lead to “less deaths” in the long run, meanwhile he probably believes 15% of their population has been killed.
His true position is that any war that weakens the West is good and any war that strengthens the West is bad.
I am on Harris/democrat side on Ukraine man, I think that's one of the few things democrat get far better than an increasing number of republicans.
I know you hate me but still, on Ukraine I am pro western intervention, pro military and humanitarian help, pro taking in as many refugees as necessary in the EU.
I am on Harris/democrat side on Ukraine man, I think that's one of the few things democrat get far better than an increasing number of republicans.
I know you hate me but still, on Ukraine I am pro western intervention, pro military and humanitarian help, pro taking in as many refugees as necessary in the EU.
Spoiler
k
Spoiler
a
Spoiler
m
Spoiler
a
Spoiler
l
Spoiler
a
the post you quoted already shows I understand that and the counterargument. It’s pretty stupid to just allow countries to argue it in one case (ukraine) and then take the literal exact opposite view for Palestine. He told me that Hamas starting the war with Israel is good because it will lead to “less deaths” in the long run, meanwhile he probably believes 15% of their population has been killed.
His true position is that any war that weakens the West is good and any war that strengthens the Wes
kk we agree then.
keep IP completely aside imho though, two different situations (we kinda agree on both but that's not relevant)
ok so the claims about Trump being a puppet of Putin and so on, were actually a complete hoax?
when I say Russian hoax I refer to that
So the fact one claim wasn't true (at least by your judgement) means all the claims were a complete hoax?
That's an interesting legal theory, that someone believed to be innocent of one claim but not the others means the investigation into all the claims was a complete hoax.
ok so the claims about Trump being a puppet of Putin and so on, were actually a complete hoax?
when I say Russian hoax I refer to that
The bipartisan investigation was on whether Russia interfered to help Trump (they did), whether anyone broke any laws (they did) and whether the Trump campaign was involved(investigation unable to give a definitive yes or no, but in retrospect seems likely they were given Trump had no problem doing the same thing with Ukraine).
An actual headline about a guy who is a coinflip away from being the president 3 days before election day
So the fact one claim wasn't true (at least by your judgement) means all the claims were a complete hoax?
That's an interesting legal theory, that someone believed to be innocent of one claim but not the others means the investigation into all the claims was a complete hoax.
when people talk about the Russian hoax they refer to the fact that claims that Trump was a Russian agent, that Putin helped the trump campaign and so on are false.
not sure what you think that meant though.
what are the claims about Russian involvement with regards to Trump that you think still have some legs?
when people talk about the Russian hoax they refer to the fact that claims that Trump was a Russian agent, that Putin helped the trump campaign and so on are false.
not sure what you think that meant though.
Putin did help Trump's campaign and Trump was aware of it. This was documented in the bipartisan Congressional report so I'm not sure what you're talking about.
what are the claims about Russian involvement with regards to Trump that you think still have some legs?
I suggest you read the Mueller Report to find out. You don't seem to be familiar with its contents.
